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OTE Potluck: Ciao, Non-Conference Slate!

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Buon giorno!

I'm finally back from vacation in Italy, and what do I find? The B1G (sans Wisconsin, and perhaps Nebraska, Michigan and Illinois) in disarray.  Goddamnit, Northwestern, I know it's patriotic, but how can you lose to Army???? And I'm not even going to address the state of all things athletic in the states of Indiana and Minnesota.

It's time to fix my disappointment in the conference's non-conference performance with a Potluck, Italian-style. 

Jump below as the OTE writers and I debate whether the B1G is prosciutto or melon, what it'll take to steal the bottle of Brunello di Montalcino from Wisconsin, determine the best non-Communist game of this week, decide what B1G unit is most like the food in Florence, and swap tailgate recipes for butterburgers that resemble Michigan co-eds, hobo hotdogs, artery-clogging 7-layer dip, and a Hilary Lee-special of deep fried meat.

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Despite this fumble, Indiana somehow won this game.....but probably won't win again.

1. Antipasti: With the exception of Purdue (That Team in South Bend) and Northwestern (Rice), the non-conference "appetizer" portion of the schedule is now done...and with a few exceptions, it wasn't pretty. The B1G went 34-12, with some ugly losses (North Texas? North Dakota State? Rice? New Mexico State? Army?). And yet 4 undefeated squads and 6 squads with just 1 loss show that there's still plenty of time to make this a tremendous year for the B1G. So what's your verdict? Is this a prosciutto-thin year for the B1G, where we'll get shellacked come bowl time? Or will we be tasting sweet melon in early January as we dominate the bowl season and maybe even land a team (looking at you, Wisconsin) in the BCS Championship?

Ted Glover: Well, let's look at those bad losses. North Texas, North Dakota State, New Mexico State, and Rice were from the three worst teams in the conference. I don't see any of those teams going to a bowl game, so as far as the rest of the conference is concerned, meh. Army isn't a bad team, and I think if Dan Persa had played they win. At the top, I think Wisconsin and Nebraska can be dominant teams, and although everyone in between those two and the bottom three are flawed, they're still good. Adding Nebraska will put B1G teams against more evenly mtached opponents as opposed to having to play our 4th place team against whoever's second or third place team. I think we'll be all right.

KennardHusker: I can't say I've ever been to an Italian potluck... Do we still get deviled eggs? Because if there are no deviled eggs, then I'm leaving. Anyhow, like Ted said, the bad losses have generally been by bad teams, and while we can sit here and talk about what some fans thought would happen going into the season, nobody is all that surprised. Remember what the OTE Staff predicted for Minnesota, Purdue, and Indiana? It wasn't exactly glowing... Even so, the bottom three teams of the conference have been a black mark so far and we're going to pretend they don't count because they're all rebuilding (shhhh... it's an old Big XII trick. The Big XII North was always bad, but it was because they were always rebuilding. I think this excuse can catch on here.) So what are realistic expectations going forward? I think a strong bowl showing and a finish with a few teams in the Top 15 and some great showdowns every week that will 'move the needle' nationally. No one can complain about that.

Ted Glover: "Remember what the OTE Staff predicted for Minnesota, Purdue, and Indiana? It wasn't exactly glowing." I called Minnesota at 7-5 and winning two rivalry games. In an unrelated note, "Ted's Clairvoyant Services" currently has a going out of business sale going on. Three worthless predictions for the price of one, sale ends Friday. And Michigan will embarrass Minnesota on Saturday. And the Vikings will probably go 0-4 on Sunday. My football life sucks.

Graham Filler: I'm a hater. We're thinner than Kate Moss in 1995. It all boils down to defensive toughness - The B1G just doesn't have it, and the teams that do (PSU, OSU) have no offense. Sad times at Ridgemont High.

Hilary Lee: Can I go with pancetta? Slightly thicker sliced than prosciutto, yet basically along the same lines. I think we'll see a competitive year at the top - Wisconsin, Nebraska, and some combination of OSU/MSU/Iowa/Michigan/Illinois/Northwestern (a girl can dream, right?) will be in it for much of the season. The rest will probably be painful to watch. Whether or not we have a good bowl season will depend more on whether or not we play "up" again this year. Though that was historically our problem, perhaps the institution of the championship will help us avoid that fate this year. I think if the Big Ten gets to go up against relatively evenly matched teams in its bowl games, we'll have a good January. If not... well, you should probably get your emergency bacon ready.

2. Vino: As for the season so far, let's award Wisconsin with a nice bottle of Brunello di Montalcino for quite simply outclassing the rest of the conference -- no one has come close to stopping the Badgers, and it seems quite probable that they still haven't played their best football. To my eyes, they're a legitimate BCS Championship contender. Is there any way to trip up the Badgers? How? And who on their schedule (including a hypothetical B1G Championship game) is best equipped to play that style of game?

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Ricardo Efendi (abusing his liver with vino): You're certainly right: Wisconsin has yet to play its best football. On the defensive side of the ball I'm guessing Chris Ash has declined showing even half his blitz packages, and Chris Borland (the 2009 B1G Freshman of the Year) will only get better as he reacquaints himself with game speed after missing most of last season with a shoulder injury; a scary thought as he's already shown a ton of playmaking ability through four games. The offense has overcome nine and even ten in the box fronts, something they'll see less of in conference play as teams try to develop schemes to stymie Russell Wilson.

But here are a pessimist's warning signs. Penalties have plagued the offense, particularly in the Northern Illinois and Oregon State games. The Badgers have the offensive firepower to overcome that against lower level opponents; what about on the road at East Lansing of Columbus? Secondly, the run blocking has left something to be desired. Against Oregon State, center Peter Konz struggled against massive nose tackle Castro Masaniai. The unit as a whole has looked sluggish in every opening quarter save the opener. Part of the problem is facing the aforementioned nine-man fronts that sell out against the run. But until they return to what they did against Ohio State and Iowa last year, I'm going to express concern. James White has also continued to be a little too quick bouncing runs to the outside. The passing game has been exceptional, but I've had the feeling Paul Chryst has been too quick at times to resort to it. Will he, in another big game, eschew patience with the running game while hoping for the instant gratification that is a twenty yard completion?

On defense the injuries are already piling up. Starting linebacker Kevin Claxton has missed time with a broken wrist, starting safety Shelton Johnson (responsible for two of the three turnovers forced by the defense this far) left Saturday's game with an injury, and starting corner Devin Smith is out for the year. Claxton is back (and backup Ethan Armstrong more than held his own), Dez Southward (next up if Johnson can't go) nearly won the starting job in camp, and Marcus Cromartie has been consistently solid in place of Smith. But at what point does the depth start to dry up?

Is anyone equipped to beat the Badgers? As long as the play action game is working, nobody. The best bets are going to be Michigan State and Ohio State, both of which feature run-stuffing defensive tackles (Anthony Rashad White and Johnathan Hankins, respectively) that can slow down the front wall's assault. And Wisconsin has to go on the road in back-to-back weekends to play against those teams, each of which likely has some measure of revenge on their minds from last year (whipping in Madison and Rose Bowl "snub"). If they can stop Wisconsin early and get a lead at home, and if the Badgers kill themselves with knucklehead penalties, both the Spartans and Buckeyes will have a very good chance of knocking Bucky off. Notice how I didn't mention Nebraska? That's because I agree with Vegas (Wisconsin, -10.5).

Outside of those two I'm concerned about the other two road games, at Minnesota and at Illinois. You're laughing about the Minnesota game? Weird things happen in that series, and you know the Gophers will be up for it (and the Badgers maybe not so focused at the outset, ala 1999 and 2008). And what do we make of the fighting Zookers? Just like the East Lansing and Columbus scenarios, if the Illini can get a lead and force Wisconsin into mistakes early, watch out.

Hilary Lee: Take Russell Wilson out of the game. And then stop the run. In most years, if you did only the second, you had a decent shot at controlling the Wisconsin offense. Even when we had accurate QBs like Scott Tolzien, we didn't really have enough in the air game to be able to play a team who was containing the Badgers on the ground. This year, I think we just might, especially with the way that Nick Toon seems to really be clicking with Wilson.

But if the run gets stalled enough, and if Wilson is taken out? (Either literally with an injury or figuratively by strong pressure), then Wisky will have a problem. Of course, the mere fact that it's extremely hard for any team to do that to Wisconsin is as good an illustration as any of how good the Badgers are this year...

Chadnudj: Hilary, take Russell Wilson out of the game and stop the run? How on earth do you do that?

I don't think Wisconsin will be beat (at least in the B1G) this season....but if someone were to beat them, they'd do so by spreading the ball around on offense and controlling the ball on long drives (which must come away with points), coming up with some special teams big plays, and selling out to stop the run, while hoping cornerbacks in isolation can stop Wilson from connecting on big plays to Toon.  Impossible, if you ask me....but that's the blueprint.

3. Primi Piatti: Mmmmmm, pasta. The opening weekend of B1G play is obviously highlighted by the Russian Roulette Game in Madison (2 reds enter, only one leaves alive). Let's take that one off the menu -- what's the NEXT greatest opening B1G weekend matchup on the slate? (MSU-OSU, Illinois-Northwestern, Minnesota-Michigan, Penn State-Indiana, and That Team in South Bend-Purdue, which isn't a conference game, but let's face it....it will be one day, am I right?) And how do you see the #2 Game of B1G Week 1 breaking down -- give us predictions and keys for the game, just like you're Craig James (without any alleged murders of prostitutes that may or may not have happened)?

Ted Glover: OSU-MSU. Pretty stunning coming from an OSU guy, huh? But really, this is a good undercard. Not a lot of people believe in MSU outside of East Lansing, and there's a bit of an identity crisis in Columbus right now, on both sides of the ball. I don't know that this is a 'must win' game for either team, but it's a really important one. MSU has a great opportunity here. They have solid, stable senior leaders, a good coach that has gotten his teams ready for big games (for the most part), they get OSU at less than full strength, and will put a strong running game against what might be the most mediocre Buckeye defense in a decade. For OSU, Braxton Miller seemed to get more confident as the Colorado game progressed, and he showed some good things. He's still safety wired to the run position and I think he needs to believe in his passing game a little more, but MSU's defense doesn't seem as stout as it was in the previous couple of years. Look for Miller to make some more plays with his arm this week along with his legs. Luke Fickell looked like he was swimming in the deep end without a life jacket against Miami, but I'm going to give him one more chance--he's at home in a more comfortable environment, so we'll see what happens.

BabaOReally: I am looking forward to seeing Illinois and Northwestern battle it out for the title of Chicago's B1G team. The big key to this game is obviously the health of Persa. It will be interesting to see how close he is to 100%. Will he be PERSASTRONG or PERSARUSTY? I think Illinois will win this one and the Northwestern optimists and their 10-2 predictions will start to realize that maybe they are not going to make that big of a leap this year.

Hilary Lee: I'm saying the Northwestern-Illinois game, though not just because I'm a Wildcat fan. This game will answer questions about these teams that should tell us what trajectory the rest of their seasons are likely to go in:

  • Is Dan Persa back? And if he is, does that make a difference for Northwestern?
  • Can Illinois really play an entire game against a non-creampuff? Can they do it more than once?

I think the game is close. If the Northwestern defense plays like it has against most teams so far this season, and if Dan Persa is last year's version or better, then the Wildcats take it. If not...

Chadnudj: Ditto everything Hilary said -- this week's best non-Communist matchup is Illinois and Northwestern.  Way too many storylines here -- Illinois looking to start 5-0 for the first time since Truman was in office, the return of 2010 All B1G QB Dan Persa, Illinois fans who are actually engaged and interested in a non-basketball Illini team, a war-of-words between the teams over who is Chicago's Big Ten team that has added actual heat to the rivalry, NU seeking revenge for the Wrigley loss, Illinois trying to beat Northwestern in consecutive seasons for the first time since 2001-2002....and did I mention Dan Persa is back? Top it off with the Monopoly piece known as the Land of Lincoln Trophy, and you have a phenomenal undercard to Wisconsin-Nebraska.  I'm already in full-on hate mode of everything orange.

JDMill: I don't know anything about Craig James and prostitutues, but I do happen to know that Neil Diamond once killed a drifter to get an erection. True story. Game of the week after Wisky/Nebby... gotta be the battle for The Little Brown Jug doesn't it? The red-hot Gophers invade The Big House for another tilt of epic proportions! Gophers!!! Wolverines!!! The Little Brown Jug!!! It's going to be... oh, crap, I can't do it. It's going to be a slaughter, but I'm a real narcissist (which happens to be a pre-requisite for being a Gopher fan), so I'll be watching.

4. Secondi Piatti: The highlight of my Italian trip? The food in Florence. Whether it was sandwiches and wine on the street at I Due Fratellini (www.iduefratellini.com), the roast boar in tomato sauce with polenta, mozzarella with truffles, and practically unlimited house red wine at Osteria del Cinghiale Bianco, or the grilled swordfish at Trattoria 4 Leoni (www.4leoni.com), the food of Florence did not disappoint. If you're a food fan heading to Italy, you MUST go to Florence. In that spirit -- what was your highlight from the B1G non-conference season? What (a) one play, (b) one player, and (c) one unit (not a team -- just a unit on a team) have made the biggest impression on you (whether because they've been as good as advertised, or far better than you anticipated)?

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KennardHusker: Let's start with the most entertaining three minutes of football so far. While Michigan and Notre Dame forgot to tell their DBs the game was still going, we got to see one of the more spectacular outings by a WR core in a while. Let's not get too amped up about how bad the passes looked (who here thinks Denard closed his eyes on those throws), but rather at the athleticism it took to pull those floaters in. That was just fun football, not necessarily good football, but very very fun.

Graham Filler: Nebraska's speed at so many positions really blew me away. We're not just talking straight line speed either, which they have in spades, but we're talking the dangerous, vicious speed that turns 20 yard kickoff returns into 102 yard TD returns. If you played Nebby in the 1960's, you would grow the grass out on your homefield real nice pregame.

Hilary Lee: This is easily the combination of Nick Toon and Russell Wilson. Game after game, Toon has showed up to play, and it looks like he might actually surpass his 2009 numbers. I keep waiting for him to trip up, but he just gets better, and having a solid receiver like that makes Wilson's arm that much more terrifying.

Chadnudj:  The only more impressive combination than Toon and Wilson? James Vandenberg and Marvin McNutt.  Of course, the fact that McNutt has been a wide receiver for the Hawkeyes for approximately the past 14 years may have something to do with that, but the numbers speak for themselves: 413 yards receiving, 25 receptions, 16.5 yards per completion, and 4 TDs.  And you can basically concede the TD to Iowa when they run the endzone corner fade to McNutt.  Vandenberg has looked great at QB, and McNutt's a huge reason why.

5. Dolci: I'm still 2 weeks away from my first home tailgate of the year....but it's going to be epic, as it's a night game at Ryan Field for a sell-out crowd against Michigan on October 8th. I have a crew of co-workers coming to the game, and tons of other purple-clad friends are heading up to Ryan Field to join in the grilling. Which poses a dilemma -- what do we make? I don't think we've done this before, but give us your favorite tailgate recipes below (appetizers, dips, entrees/meats, desserts, adult beverages....whatever), and I'll consider making it for the October 8th feast.

JDMill: I tend to be a bit of a tailgating vagabond. I like to jump between groups of friends and family so that I get to mingle and keep it fresh. This way I get to sample the bold flavors that several people are bringing to the proverbial table. It's a win-win... well, okay, it's a win for me, probably not anybody else. Having said that, sometimes a tailgate will disappoint, so you gots to be prepared. In addition to bringing my own tunes on a walkman (Journey and Bon Jovi tapes of course) with headphones, I like to mix myself a little (okay, a lot of) margarita in my trusty Camelback. These two badboys make me a walking party. But the one thing I can't forget is some grub. So if you're ever in a jumping from lot to lot situation which calls for food backups in case of a rank 7 layer dip, try this. 2 hotdogs, 1 ziplock back, 2 packets ketchup, lighter, plastic fork. Use the fork to pierce one hot dog in the center... use lighter to heat up hot dog, taking care not to melt the fork. Once hot dog is "cooked," use fork to eat hot dog. Repeat with second hotdog. Now, here's the kicker: be sure to buy precooked hotdogs. That way if you forget your lighter, or if it's a little windy, or if you're running low on time... no worries.

KennardHusker: Okay, not sure how many people like dealing with Burgers during tailgating. A lot of my friends much prefer the brats, chicken, steak (this is Nebraska...) route because of the mess. Still, the stuffed burger is where it's at. Mix a dash of garlic salt, a teaspoon of worcestershire, some freshly ground black pepper, and a little bit of dried onion (or dried garlic and onion salt... either way) with some nice fatty ground beef (you may even mix in a little venison) and make portions of what you want for each burger (usually 1/3 lb per). Divide those portions in half and press the patties pretty thin. Next comes the filling. This sounds ridiculous, but it's crazy delicious. Take a tablespoon of cold real butter, cut it up into little pieces and mix it with cheddar and/or Jack and/or any other cheese of choice. It will form a ball of butter/cheese that sounds and looks gross (and awesome). Roll it into a log and cut it into equal portions for each burger. Put one thin patty on the bottom and one on top and seal. This will be the most decadent/delicious burger. Top with more cheese if you like, add jalapenos, and you have the best burger in the world.

I almost forgot the most important part... Make sure to press the middle of the burgers in before they hit the grill. If you indent them on each side, they won't get fat in the middle and will end up nice and even. There's nothing more obnoxious that a hamburger that is more round than flat.

Ted Glover: Round and flat...what do Michigan co-eds have to do with this? :)

Graham Filler: OMG.  I am going to just suggest a nice 7 layer dip. Something for everyone in there. But it looks like those damn butterball burgers are going to take the day...

Chadnudj: I was going to share my recipe for baked bacon (bacon breaded in parmesan cheese with tabasco sauce and chili powder, then baked -- good for a morning or evening tailgate), but did someone say "7 layer dip"?  Try this one, called Sue's Polish Pizza, which skips the typical bean layer for a more Midwest appropriate " artery-clogging layer of cream cheese/sour cream/taco seasoning." Thanks, Mom:

  1. Mix 8 oz. of softened cream cheese, 8 oz. of sour cream, and 1 package of McCormick's Taco Seasoning together.  Spread across a round plate, leaving a lip up at the edges (the lip holds in the other layers, as you'll see).
  2. Pour salsa on top of cream cheese/sour cream base, spreading around.
  3. Put chopped green onions, sliced avocado, and sliced olives liberally on top of salsa, as much as you'd like.  Fresh chopped/diced tomatoes are also an option here. 
  4. Cover entire thing completely with shredded lettuce. Seriously, you should see noting but lettuce when you finish this step.
  5. Cover all of the shredded lettuce with shredded Mexican cheese. Seriously, you should see nothing but cheese when you finish this step.
  6. Use heavy duty dipping chips -- the Tostitos Gold chips used to be the best -- to ensure you can dip through all of the layers.

Hilary Lee: I'm including a recipe for what I'm making at the Northwestern-Michigan tailgate. (Chad, are you stopping by? You need to stop by.) This is something that is almost unknown outside of the state of South Dakota. It's called Chislic, and it is awesome.

Basically, chislic is cubes of meat that are deep fried. It's often made with venison or other game meat, but it is also delicious with bison, lamb, or just plain old beef for us city slickers. The preparation is stupidly easy, though there are basically two different versions. I'll call one the Sioux Falls version, and the other the Pierre version.

Sioux Falls Chislic:

You need:

A decent quantity of meat (how much is dependent on the size of your tailgate, but it's important that it be easily sliced while raw)

Garlic salt (or other seasoned salt)

Toothpicks

Prep:

Cube meat.

Deep fry meat.

Skewer meat.

Salt meat.

Eat meat.

Drink beer.

Done.


Pierre Chislic:
The version I've had in the Pierre area is basically the same as the Sioux Falls version, with the important caveat that it is battered. Both the naked deep fried meat and the battered version are delicious, so it really comes down to personal preference I think. For this, you need:

A decent quantity of meat

Some form of seasoned batter (the type that is used for chicken fried steak works especially well)

Toothpicks

Either hot sauce or country gravy

Prep:

Cube meat.

Batter meat.

Deep fry meat.

Skewer meat.

Optional: dip meat in hot sauce or country gravy

Eat meat.

Drink beer.

Done.

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Northwestern: Winnetka's Big Ten Team

Tribune reporting that both Persa and Colter will play. This tells me
that (1.) #PersaStrength has not yet returned to his legs, and (2.) Fitzgerald saw the tape of the Arizona State game.

Hate, hate, hate…

by I-L-L-matic on Sep 28, 2011 12:20 PM CDT reply actions  

You say tomato....

….I say it’s Northwestern wisely getting its most accurate arm (Persa) and best running threat (Colter) on the field at the same time.

That being said, congratulations on being 4-0 for the first time since the advent of color television.

by Chadnudj on Sep 28, 2011 1:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

And may we congratulate you on your school lauching a hilariously misguided and pointless Heisman campaign.

"Many people need desperately to receive this message: 'I feel and think much as you do, care about many of the things you care about, although most people do not care about them. You are not alone.'"

by U-God on Sep 28, 2011 3:07 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

"I have a great idea!"

“Let’s pay a shitton of money promoting our injured QB who wouldn’t have a snowball’s chance in hell to win the Heisman! It’s brilliant!”

"Many people need desperately to receive this message: 'I feel and think much as you do, care about many of the things you care about, although most people do not care about them. You are not alone.'"

by U-God on Sep 28, 2011 3:31 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

They did get their fifteen minutes

which is what they were probably looking for anyways.

by Alex Cook on Sep 28, 2011 3:38 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

And then they lost to Army.

"Many people need desperately to receive this message: 'I feel and think much as you do, care about many of the things you care about, although most people do not care about them. You are not alone.'"

by U-God on Sep 28, 2011 3:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

And are still selling a lot more tickets than they used to.

… Which is the point of all marketing campaigns.

Also, apparently, the point to piss off Illinois fans on the internet, or so I’ve learned from said Illinois fans on the internet. We were totally plotting for months to come up with a way just to antagonize you. That’s what it’s all been about.

by TDozer on Sep 28, 2011 4:22 PM CDT up reply actions   2 recs

Illinois fans are so riled up...

…you’d think it was basketball season.

by Chadnudj on Sep 28, 2011 4:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

Mediocre writer repeats weak joke.

Tune in tomorrow for more of the same.

"Many people need desperately to receive this message: 'I feel and think much as you do, care about many of the things you care about, although most people do not care about them. You are not alone.'"

by U-God on Sep 28, 2011 4:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

...

I get the sense that you’re not a fan of Chad’s writing. I don’t know why, it’s just this vague feeling.

by TDozer on Sep 28, 2011 4:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

Why use good material on the Illini?

Once they lose this weekend to Persa and the Cats, all three of their fans will disappear back into the ether.

by Chadnudj on Sep 28, 2011 5:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

FTFY
Once they lose this weekend to Persa and the Cats, all three of their fans will disappear back into the ether unemployment line.

When we get the Pig, the Jug and the Axe, we'll have one hell of a picnic

by Marshmoose on Sep 28, 2011 5:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

On an unrelated note

I am still waiting for something original from U-God

by surfmen93 on Sep 28, 2011 7:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

See, you, I like

You have a sense of humor about all of this comparable to an Iowa fan. But yesterday, I made the mistake of visiting a message board in which the Illini fans were completely melting down about Chicago’s Big Ten Team, Persa for Heisman, some imaginary insult from Pat Fitzgerald, and—

Wait. Did I just say something up there that could be construed as positive about Iowa fans? Damn. I mean, hate hate hate for all schools that start with I.

by TDozer on Sep 28, 2011 4:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

Come on now....

….Indiana deserves our pity, not our hatred.

by Chadnudj on Sep 28, 2011 5:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well, yeah.

Northwestern and humor go together like a Northwestern defense and 519 yards rushing.

Wait, that doesn’t seem right…there’s no such thing as ‘Northwestern defense’…

by I-L-L-matic on Sep 28, 2011 5:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

Echo to TDozer

I like this bantering from you and that’s an AWESOME Simpsons reference.

by surfmen93 on Sep 28, 2011 7:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

We'll return the compliment

if Northwester ever wins a bowl game.

I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.

by HoyaGoon on Sep 29, 2011 2:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

And by "we" I of course mean

the rest of the Big Ten.

I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.

by HoyaGoon on Sep 29, 2011 2:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

Vandenberg did not look great

for all 16 quarters. Nowhere near that. Overall he has done well but Iowa is going to need him to get better in a big hurry or games are going to get away.

"If you need a rah-rah speech at halftime, you’re playing the wrong sport." - Pat Angerer

by Flakbait on Sep 28, 2011 12:35 PM CDT reply actions  

Not buying the Vandehype

His receiving corps is catching everything thrown within a 5 yard radius. McNutt, Davis and Martin-Manley are as good a receiving corp as I recall Iowa having.

by jayrocks on Sep 28, 2011 4:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yes the receivers are really good and pulling in some non-perfect throws,

but he also making some really amazing throws that no Iowa QB has been able to make for a long time.

by HawkeyeRecon on Sep 28, 2011 5:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

Drew Tate

Threw a better ball. Vandeberg throws it on a rope, his touch passes are not very impressive/accurate most of the time. It’s too bad Tate got stuck with some of the weaker teams Iowa fielded the last 10 years.

by jayrocks on Sep 28, 2011 5:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

And the point?

I’m simply talking about how he throws the ball. His completion percentage is low and that’s with his targets making a lot of great catches.

I think he’s one of the better QB’s in the big 10 right now but his receiving corps is not getting enough of the credit.

by jayrocks on Sep 29, 2011 10:32 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yes...

I’m an Iowa fan and hate all our players. Should I just be a homer who thinks everyone is better than they are?

by jayrocks on Sep 29, 2011 2:12 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

You're right about the receiving corp though

I think Vandenburg is pretty good and will get better as the season goes along, but the WR/TE are probably the best collection in the B1G. I can’t think of another team that’s even close. McNutt could be considered the best #1 in the B1G; Keenan could be considered the best #2 in the B1G and KMM is easily the best #3 WR in the B1G. I think the WRs make up for JVB’s inconsistencies.

Skol!

by DM_Purp on Sep 30, 2011 11:02 AM CDT up reply actions  

Coach Campbell has really improved our receiving corps.

Lloyd Carr getting fired led to Campbell coming to Iowa which has payed off very well.

by HawkeyeRecon on Sep 30, 2011 12:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

That picture is making me so hungry

The French can carry on all that they want about their 500 different kinds of cheeses, but they don’t have anything on Italians when it comes to great food.

by GTom on Sep 28, 2011 1:26 PM CDT reply actions  

The picture is making you hungry?

I almost went out at lunch today to buy the supplies for Hilary’s chislics.

(And you’re correct — Italy dominates France in terms of phenomenal food.)

by Chadnudj on Sep 28, 2011 1:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

Spanish food kills it all

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by Warrior Brad on Sep 28, 2011 8:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

Kennard...

…it sounds like you’d be a fan of the Jucy Lucy. Make sure to try one when you if you go to MN for the Nebraska game.

Here’s your background info via the always resourceful Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jucy_Lucy

by GoAUpher on Sep 28, 2011 2:11 PM CDT reply actions  

That looks awesome!

I love the food in Minneapolis. As for the game, I’m trying to decide if going up there is worth it. I haven’t found tickets for a reasonable price yet (the story of Nebraska this year… I’ve been looking, but can’t get cheaper than $150/ticket). My sister and her husband live downtown, so I might go up there and just hang out, find some local sports bar and enjoy the city.

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by KennardHusker on Sep 28, 2011 2:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

If you go to a bar. I would recommend Joe Sensor's in Bloomington.

The place was ridiculously pro-Nebby(u lost to Texas that game) when I was up there and watched the Iowa/Michigan game last year. Let’s just say those Nebraska fans were all competing to be “that guy”

oh, and they all won

Skol!

by DM_Purp on Sep 30, 2011 11:52 AM CDT up reply actions  

Oh damnit.

Now I’m hungry and miss home.

I read this before classes this morning (which sucked in and of itself) and then I come back to all this. I want a Juicy Lucy.

by MNWildcat on Sep 28, 2011 3:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

You mean you want a Jucy Lucy? =)

(I always found the fight over the spelling to be hilarious, so don’t take me seriously please).

by GoAUpher on Sep 28, 2011 3:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

Damnit. Well-played.

I never bothered with the fight over the spelling. I was too busy eating.

by MNWildcat on Sep 28, 2011 7:48 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

As my Polish great-grandma said before every Thanksgiving,

“He who eats the fastest gets the mostest.”

God bless her. And mmmm, Jucy Lucys for Thanksgiving…

by MNWildcat on Sep 29, 2011 12:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

...but could you hit BOTH OF THEM??!?

Matt’s Bar FTW

When we get the Pig, the Jug and the Axe, we'll have one hell of a picnic

by Marshmoose on Sep 28, 2011 5:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'd try

and finish at least one from both places to make my own conclusion.

I’d love to go to the Minny game this year but Iowa plays them while I will be on vacation. Weird seeing them not at the end of the schedule or close to it.

by jayrocks on Sep 28, 2011 5:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

MSU corrections

Ted, I think you’re off on your assessment of MSU.

and (MSU) will put a strong running game

Against the one BCS team we played we averaged a paltry 1.3 YPA. We haven’t even averaged 5 YPC against CMU, FAU or Youngstown St. It’s sad because we have excellent running backs, but no offensive line.

but MSU’s defense doesn’t seem as stout as it was in the previous couple of years

You mean the MSU team that is #1 in total defense, #1 in pass defense, #3 in pass efficiency defense, 8th in scoring defense and #10 in rushing defense? We’ve definitely played a weak schedule and we won’t end up #1 in total defense, but you don’t put up numbers like that unless you’re pretty good.

by Stones1981 on Sep 28, 2011 2:11 PM CDT reply actions  

I'll admit I was just using the eye candy test

on my opinion of the defense, and I take little stock in games played against directional teams. The only game I really saw a lot of was the Notre Dame one, and your lines were beat consistently on both sides of the ball. Maybe it was just an anomaly and you really do have a good defense, but against decent competition they weren’t good.

As for your running game, I’ll seem more than a bit hypocritical here, but I really like how Le’Veon Bell and Edwin Baker have looked, with the exception of the Notre Dame game (and CMU game for Baker). They just seem to have a lot of talent between the two, and if your o-line gets it figured out, they’ll be very good.

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by Ted Glover on Sep 28, 2011 3:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

The offensive line can't/won't figure it out though.

Their O-line has 2 former defensive linemen and a JUCO transfer starting, and the left tackle is one of the former defensive tackles. Before Burkland was hurt, their depth was terrifying but now it’s just sad. It’s kind of like Michigan losing Woolfolk last year.

by Alex Cook on Sep 28, 2011 3:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

You're probably right

We actually only have one former DT starting now. Blake Treadwell (former DT) started the first 3 games while Travis Jackson was injured. Jackson won the job in camp and started against CMU. The team likes Jackson a lot, but he’s only a RS freshman. It also hurts that our best lineman, Joel Foreman, is not close to 100% healthy and it shows in his play. Injuries over the last couple years have killed our depth.

by Stones1981 on Sep 28, 2011 4:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

Oh

I didn’t know that Treadwell was no longer starting. The fatal combination of youth, injuries, and lack of depth is going to kill MSU’s ground game and Kirk is going to get knocked around a bit.

by Alex Cook on Sep 28, 2011 4:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

Our defense was better than you think against ND

We essentially gave up 21 points. 7 points were scored on a kick return and 3 points were scored on a fg after an interception was returned in the red zone. We only gave up 276 yards to ND while they’ve averaged about 470 yards in their other 3 games against BCS competition.

Baker and Bell are studs, no doubt. Bell was injured in the 2nd half of last year and you can see he’s truly healthy now. Many MSU fans are wondering if Bell is the best back on our roster. But sadly our offensive line isn’t good.

by Stones1981 on Sep 28, 2011 3:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm starving

I might have to grill out tonight. I can’t even wait until tomorrow.

Skol!

by DM_Purp on Sep 30, 2011 11:57 AM CDT up reply actions  

While it seems the B1G has had a rough non-con, I think this year is light years better than in the previous 3 or 4 seasons.

Yes we had the terrible 6 losses from Indiana and Minny, but overall the B1G has fared decent, not great, otherwise.

Just for convenince sake, let’s assume ND beats Purdue and NW beats Rice .. that would leave us with 35-13 that would be a .729 %. Only the SEC and Big12 will finish better than that. [Note, the Big12 will either finish 28-2 or 27-3 in non-conf, incredible]

We will assume the SEC is better (5 consecutive NCx give them the edge of course) and nobody, I mean nobody is catching the Big12 this year. I believe they finish as the top conference this year, NC or not. Sure that 28-2 record is sprinkled with some FCS wins, but look at some of the wins they do have: @Fla St, Arizona, TCU, @Miami, Iowa, @UConn (Northern Illinois may or may not look good later on). That is loads better than the SEC who can count Navy, UConn, Oregon, @West VA and @Penn St so far. They do still have the 4 ACC rivalry games at the end of the season to help somewhat, the rest are purely cupcakes.

So we have to compare the B1G to the Pac12, ACC and BigEast for third place.

ACC: was looking good ok until Weeks 3 and 4, losses to Oklahoma, West VA, Temple, Cincinnati, Kansas St, and Southern Miss. PAC12 has gone 20-12 in non conf, but is 1-4 vs the B1G (granted the 4 losses were all on the road). Missouri or @BYU are their only quality wins to date. The BigEast has looked ok as well, but is 0-3 vs the SEC and they have loaded up on the MAC this year.

I would probably have the B1G third this season. 4-1 vs Pac12, 1-0 vs BigEast (SSS) and 1-2 vs ACC for a total of 6-3. Pac12 is 3-4 overall, the ACC is 3-5 and the BigEast is 3-3.

Quick shout out to the MAC, who looks to have moved up the food chain this year so far (they are still behind the MWC and CUSA, but are not at the bottom with the SunBelt anymore). They actually have four 3-1 teams and I think Toldeo is the best 1-3 team out there. Heck, the SunBelt may not even be the worst anymore, I think the WAC has taken that title from this year.

Also, not sure if this is a record, but I count 6 FCS wins this year [ACC (Duke), B1G (Minnesota), Pac12 (Ore St), MWC (UNLV and New Mexico) and SunBelt (Western Kentucky)].

by talonk on Sep 28, 2011 5:05 PM CDT reply actions  

I appreciate your optmism

But any serious analysis that says “we have to compare the B1G to the Pac12, ACC and BigEast for third place,” can be literally translated to mean, “the B1G blew chunks this non-conference season.”

by GTom on Sep 28, 2011 6:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

I hate to tell you this but even if OSU beats Miami and Penn St shocks Bama, I think the B1G would still be 3rd best. Our non-conference was that weak this year.

by talonk on Sep 29, 2011 11:39 AM CDT up reply actions  

I hate his argument...

….even though I understand it.

Look, the B1G’s non-conference was weak…..after all (almost all) the games were played. Before, pundits were rightfully commending the B1G for stepping up the non-con schedule.

The B1G had no idea That Team in South Bend would be 2-2, or Boston College would be terrible, or Oregon State would be so bad, or Pitt, or…

I agree the B1G needs to play a tougher slate of games (I’d love to see the FCS games banned), but it’s hard to call out non-conference schedules as being weak like it’s the B1G’s fault when teams’ performances change drastically from year to year.

by Chadnudj on Sep 29, 2011 12:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

I agree chad, but all I have is our non-conference measured up against all of the others. The only way we’d move into the Top 2 is if we went 42-6 or better.

I don’t fault Wisc for Ore St sucking, etc. but based on how the schedules have fallen out, the SEC and Big12 have played tougher non-conf so far, and they have the wins to show for it. Luckily for us, the other 3 BCS conferences have performed even worse than we have. Not much to do about it now.

The only redemption we can get is if we can finally get that bowl monkey off of our backs. No more 1-6 or even 4-4 …. we have to have a 6-2 or better bowl record to try and get back to respectability.

by talonk on Sep 29, 2011 5:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

Might I recommend the Frappe Vino. Served Frozen.

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by Aaron Musfeldt on Sep 28, 2011 6:07 PM CDT reply actions  

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