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Graham's Random Thoughts: B1G Bowl Lessons, An Insane 2011 Season, Spartan Disrespect

Bowl Lessons

This wasn't an earthshaking bowl season, mostly because of things discussed here, but Wisconsin and the Michigan schools at least made it bearable to watch at the end. So did we learn anything?

Other OTE Articles of Note

Penn State's Hilarious Coach Hiring Process - The Way Ted Glover Saw It Go Down

Hilary's Simpson's Power Poll Wrap Up

We learned that Purdue has some nice talent; and seriously, if you had guessed Purdue would have ended the season being considered a better team than Ohio State, Northwestern, and Illinois, I would have called you crazy. Real crazy.

We learned that the Spartan and Wolverine coaches are pretty solid (although I guess we probably knew that). Both teams came back and won against worthy opponents...without playing their best ball. The players were put in position to succeed by the coaches and that's about all you can ask for.

We learned that the late season swoons of PSU, OSU, and Nebraska...were not just B1G induced. Nope, those teams were just not that good in 2011-2012. We also learned you don't want to live in a B1G world where OSU and PSU are rebuilding. Not during bowl season anyways.

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2011: The Year Of The Insanity

2011: Where Ohio State forgot how to play football. And lost their coach, star player(s). And lost to Michigan for the first time since 2003. And let Joe Bauserman play quarterback. And lost 7 games. And got bowl banned and former wins wiped out. But got great free tattoos!

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Sent to Jon during that OSU-MSU ugly-fest back in October. Ha.

2011: Penn State. smh.

2011: Where the only predictable thing was Indiana sucking and Northwestern suffering a tough bowl game loss to a more talented Southern school squad.

2011: Brady Hoke. GREAT HIRE. But you all saw that coming.

2011: The Year of Spartan Disrespect.

2011: Why doesn't anyone want to play halfback at Iowa?

Michigan State, The Rodney Dangerfield of the B1G

Michigan State fans and players need to start acting like they belong in 2012. They'll be the favorite in the B1G (along with Michigan, although I would give MSU the edge right now, unlike Bama Hawkeye). They just won 11 games, beat a Top 5 Wisconsin team, and defeated Michigan for the fourth year in a row. So please, Sparty, let's move on from the constant bitching of 2011 and the need to demean Michigan's success at any turn. To recap:

UM beats ND, Spartan Reaction: "Same old terrible UM defense, congrats on being Week Three National Champs."

UM wins 11 games, beats OSU, wins a bowl game: "8 home games? Enjoy the return to mediocrity next year." "It took NCAA violations to finally beat OSU." "Our bowl win was more impressive than yours."

Wisconsin Defeats MSU in B1G Championship Game, Michigan is chosen for a BCS Bowl: "The BCS is meaningless, but we got screwed by not being part of it." "You know if we played in the same set up as last year, we'd be going to the Rose Bowl. This new system screwed us."...and Kirk Cousins: "Michigan sat home on the couch and watched us. ... I don't see how you get punished for playing and someone else gets to sit on the couch and get what they want. If this is the way the system is, I guess it's a broken system."

Iowa Halfback Curse

We need to have a real discussion of why no one wants to play halfback at Iowa. Generational curse? Coaching problems? Recruiting problem kids? What the hell is going on?

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Indiana Football Curse

Two quarterbacks left Indiana last week. If a tree falls in the woods and no one hears...etc etc.

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Recruiting Rankings: UM, OSU cleaning up

Find them here (Rivals) and here (MGoBlog amalgamation). And then remember this gem from an earlier OTE thread on Urban Meyer:

His biggest problems in recruiting, to me, are:

1) Star chasing. He’s a big believer in momentum with recruiting, and he loves nothing more than an avalanche of 4/5* guys all rolling in at once. It creates a buzz that he can then sell the remaining spots on. It works, but at Florida he often ended up with guys that really (IMO, here) didn’t do their due diligence on UF. I think that’s one of the main reasons we’ve had problems with transfers and keeping up the scholarship numbers (Meyer did not oversign at UF).

2) Recruits of questionable character. Normally I’m the last person to care about what touble a kid got into in HS (within reason), but when you’ve got to kick out a handful of players every year, it becomes a serious problem with depth. Not to mention the consistent negative headlines and everything else.

3) Speed obsession. Meyer loves fast guys. "So do I!", you’re thinking. No, you don’t. Not like Meyer loves fast guys. There is nothing inherently wrong with a bunch of speed merchants on the roster, but when you end up with dozens of diminutive blazers, and basically no bruisers or anyone of physical significance…it can cause problems. Specifically, it causes problems with massive teams that want to pound you into submission. I’m basically talking about Alabama, here. This was such an issue, there are more than a few Gators who believe that one of, if not the main reason Meyer left UF was to escape the machine in Tuscaloosa. I don’t really buy that entirely, but there is some truth to it. His system broke down against Saban to a degree that no other defense could manage. Perhaps it’s silly to expect anything else against Saban, but it was extremely disconcerting to most Gators, and probably to Meyer himself.

The main reason UF struggled with Bama was our abject lack of size. All the speed in the world counts for nothing if you’re being physically manhandled for 60 minutes. Meyer’s reluctance to recruit playmakers other than the Percy Harvin mold was the main reason for this deficiency.

4) Lastly, his system requires a unique type of QB to truly work. Luckily for the Buckeyes, it appears that you have a QB already that more or less fills the Tebow/Cam Newton role. The problem is (as it was for Florida), what happens when he’s gone. Newton was supposed to take over for Tebow, but then…uhh…well, let’s just say it didn’t quite go according to plan. The biggest concern for the Buckeyes is that, although he was UF’s coach almost into the year 2011, the last blue chip QB Meyer recruited to UF was in 2007. That’s the reason why we were stuck throwing out a true freshman against LSU in Death Valley this season. There was the class with Brantley and Newton in 2007, and then nothing for the rest of his tenure.

I have no idea why or how that happened, but it should be something to watch out for in Columbus.

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John Bacon, Offseason Reading Material for Wolverines/Others

If you want to see the Rodriguez dumpster fire from within, read Bacon's book. Good lord. Infighting and program attacks at its best. One of the pages below - love the Bear Bryant quote. It IS hard to rally around a math class.

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I'm pretty sure

We get the right to claim Michigan sucks by right of conquest.

Schadenfreude ist die schoenste Freude

by Seer on Jan 16, 2012 2:13 PM CST reply actions   1 recs

Still the best.

Still the best read here, Graham.

And yeah, MSU, it’s like Liz Lemon told Tracy Jordan:

“Oprah says you teach people how to treat you.” Quit teaching us to treat you like whiny complainers in 2012.

by Good Ol' Oakley on Jan 16, 2012 2:20 PM CST reply actions  

Because it was a joke.

Because it was a joke.

And if it’s settled on the field, why should Sparty be in a BCS bowl again after losing to Wisconsin in the Championship?

by Good Ol' Oakley on Jan 16, 2012 3:11 PM CST up reply actions  

It's always good to be reminded...

That the University of Chicago and Michigan State have the same number of Big Ten football championships.

by patrickdolan on Jan 16, 2012 4:13 PM CST reply actions  

Just amazing

Should Indiana have been accidentally good at least once in the last 20 years?

A futile crusade to prevent mass ignorance

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by BoilerTMill on Jan 18, 2012 3:15 PM CST up reply actions  

Themistocles, Thucydides

The Peloponnesian War
X squared, Y squared, H2SO4
Who for? What for?
Who we going to yell for?
GO MAROONS!

….yes I really did just do that

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by Hilary Lee on Jan 18, 2012 9:29 PM CST up reply actions  

Greatest...cheer...EVER

"Go hard. I mean, like relentless. I want a bunch of coaches that coach like their hair’s on fire, and I want a football team that goes for four to six seconds (per play) with relentless effort." OSU Coach Urban Meyer.

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by Ted Glover on Jan 21, 2012 9:54 AM CST up reply actions  

I actually really enjoy

hearing people complain about Michigan State fans. I think that means we’ve arrived. Remember how people used to hate UM and OSU fans when those teams were half good? Now people still “hate” them cause of their attitudes, but not at all in a threatened way.

2011 was a great year (only one play away from being legendary) and I can’t think of a single school in the conference I would trade places with going into next year.

Happy Basketball Season Everyone! :)

by StickyGreen on Jan 16, 2012 5:18 PM CST reply actions  

Is Kirk Cousins wrong?

The answer is no.

I couldn’t care less about Michigan winning the Good Hands Bowl and it somehow being deemed more relevant than other bowls. Good for them, that team has been a dumpster fire for years. The law of averages suggests they eventually had to have a good season (coinciding with an incredibly easy schedule, but that’s besides the point).

We’ll see if they can do it two years in a row. Somehow, I doubt Spartans will be waiting with bated breath to see if they do it. We’ll be more focused on kicking their asses on the field for the fifth consecutive year.

by cwel87 on Jan 16, 2012 7:06 PM CST reply actions  

I'm just saying I don't think the reward is much of a reward

I don’t really care about whether or not something is a BCS bowl, but I may be in the minority.

That’s the system we have now. Was MSU, who beat UM, and had one extra loss (due to playing the conf champ twice while UM didn’t have to play them) better than UM? Yes. Does it matter in bowl selection that they were better? Not really. Is that fair? No. Is that the way it has been and will be for the foreseeable future? Yes.

You guys had a great season, you beat Michigan, Wisconsin, Ohio State and Georgia in a bowl game. F the Sugar Bowl and the BCS. It’s not the Rose Bowl, so it’s just another bowl to me. If you guys still want to be mad about it, fine. Personally, I wouldn’t lose any sleep over it.

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by babaoreally on Jan 17, 2012 8:46 AM CST via Android app up reply actions  

The problem is the exposure matters

It matters for recruits, it matters for the players, it matters for the program, it matters for the school. The bowl might not be any more or less important than any other one, but the natural publicity that comes with it is beneficial to all parts of the schools that partake in them.

by cwel87 on Jan 17, 2012 9:28 AM CST up reply actions   1 recs

About that exclusive TV time for Michigan....

I think we would have preferred it if recruits learned of our victory over VT via box score and Sports Center

Don't be that guy.

by Wolf-fang on Jan 17, 2012 4:58 PM CST up reply actions  

FWIW cwel87

I’m glad it was MSU playing Georgia and not UM. Otherwise I don’t see the B1G getting out of Tampa with the win.

I also think you guys would have beaten South Carolina given the chance.

by NC_Buckeye on Jan 17, 2012 5:31 PM CST up reply actions  

The only bowl opponent I think MSU would've had a problem with

is Oregon. That said, of all B1G teams, I think MSU had the best equipped defense to handle the Oregon spread. MSU is a good damn team, and Dantonio has built a a solid program. I like them as my early Legends winner.

"Go hard. I mean, like relentless. I want a bunch of coaches that coach like their hair’s on fire, and I want a football team that goes for four to six seconds (per play) with relentless effort." OSU Coach Urban Meyer.

The Daily Norseman
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by Ted Glover on Jan 17, 2012 6:27 PM CST up reply actions  

Strangely Purdue handled it well

The 38-36 loss in 2009 at Autzen is misleading because Oregon had two defensive TD’s and a field goal after a fumble in Purdue territory. We just read it well, I guess.

A futile crusade to prevent mass ignorance

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by BoilerTMill on Jan 18, 2012 3:17 PM CST up reply actions  

LOL @ Graham

You’re seriously complaining about Spartan fans demeaning UM “success”?

UM fans in 2008: “You guys just beat a bad team and we are going destroy you guys next year.”
2009: “MSU went .500 and we forced OT. Our return to dominance is imminent.”
2010: “Total luck! MSU got so lucky, and Denard just beat himself. It’s all luck, and all your good players are gone next year so we’re going to win soooo much.”
2011: “Sugar Bowl counts for more than anything. The BCS is suddenly an amazing system based on merit! You may have won this year, but all your good players are gone next year so we’re going to win soooo much.”

by Stuka on Jan 19, 2012 2:58 PM CST reply actions  

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