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Spanning the Empire: Your Sugar Bowl Open Thread

It's Michigan! It's Virginia Tech! It's the Sugar Bowl!

Just as this closes out the B1G Bowl Season, Nelson closed out the era of hair metal. You're happy about one of those things.

It's a return to the national stage for Michigan. Win, and they can dream about bigger things for next year. Lose to a meh Virginia Tech team, and the critics will declare that the Wolverines only won 10 because of a soft schedule. This is a big game as you look forward to the 2012 season. The drink of choice? Something as classic as a winged helmet. On the rocks for me. Neat for my wife.

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Bowl title should be lack of merit ball.

Both teams are here for pure financial reasons.$$$
MIchigan played 8 games at home. VTech lost twice to Clemson. To prevent games like this we should have a playoff system

by spartynation on Jan 3, 2012 7:05 PM CST reply actions  

Congrats on your bowl win yesterday, and agreed on the playoff system. Michigan is here because they’re actually a pretty darn good football team this year, though and beat some solid teams. On the other hand, VTech beat no one of consequence, and is in fact there for financial reasons.

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by HawkeyedFrog on Jan 3, 2012 7:12 PM CST up reply actions  

yeah I forgot they beat a solid who...

Neb at home, OSU at home, ND a home.
solid NW on road. solid Illinois on road.

by spartynation on Jan 3, 2012 7:48 PM CST up reply actions  

Nebraska.

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by Bama Hawkeye on Jan 3, 2012 7:30 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions  

That’s a pretty big stretch. Blown out by Wisky, woulda been blown out by OSU if not for Brax going down, beat by a crappy NW team, barely beat a crippled PSU. Not to be a jerk, but they were a pretty average Big 10 team IMO, which isn’t saying much.

by Lesterh on Jan 3, 2012 7:32 PM CST up reply actions  

There wasn't a lot above average

in the conference this year.

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by Ted Glover on Jan 3, 2012 7:37 PM CST up reply actions  

Damn, Denard just got smashed.

by Lesterh on Jan 3, 2012 7:34 PM CST reply actions  

Nightmare start for tSUN.

by Lesterh on Jan 3, 2012 7:35 PM CST reply actions  

Wow, Molk is out for MICH

That’s a huge loss for them, and it’s showing early.

"Go hard. I mean, like relentless. I want a bunch of coaches that coach like their hair’s on fire, and I want a football team that goes for four to six seconds (per play) with relentless effort." OSU Coach Urban Meyer.

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by Ted Glover on Jan 3, 2012 7:35 PM CST reply actions  

Dude, we're 4 minutes in

If Molk doesn’t play at all that could have a huge influence on the outcome, but it’s way early.

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by Ted Glover on Jan 3, 2012 7:39 PM CST up reply actions  

Well, if they can’t snap the ball or make a tackle, that’s fairly serious. But I agree, there’s still time lol.

by Lesterh on Jan 3, 2012 7:40 PM CST reply actions  

And Techs O-line is getting some serious push.

by Lesterh on Jan 3, 2012 7:41 PM CST reply actions  

Well, that might have changed things.

by Lesterh on Jan 3, 2012 7:42 PM CST reply actions  

LOLOL

-22 yards on 1st and goal, and then a delay of game. It’s like Indiana combined with Minnesota, with a dash of the Zooker thrown in for good measure.

"Go hard. I mean, like relentless. I want a bunch of coaches that coach like their hair’s on fire, and I want a football team that goes for four to six seconds (per play) with relentless effort." OSU Coach Urban Meyer.

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by Ted Glover on Jan 3, 2012 7:44 PM CST reply actions  

Well at least they got something. BTW, anybody read that article VA Tech’s long snapper wrote about how ridiculous bowl week is? Worth a read.

by Lesterh on Jan 3, 2012 7:45 PM CST reply actions  

HJAHHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHA ARM PUNT

by Revenge of the Fallen on Jan 3, 2012 7:55 PM CST reply actions  

I wonder if Thomas can see over the defense?

Some guy at Penn State Hershey just discovered a virus that eats cancer. Where were the CNN trucks for that? Now Someone at PSU found something that could cure Leukemia. Coverage? None. THON will probably break $10 mil this year. Put that on "Outside the Lines" you sanctimonious pricks!

by ICEICETHATGUY13 on Jan 3, 2012 8:04 PM CST reply actions  

VT D is fast and discipline.

by Revenge of the Fallen on Jan 3, 2012 8:19 PM CST reply actions  

I’m enjoying the long faces on the SCUM fans.

by Lesterh on Jan 3, 2012 8:28 PM CST reply actions  

Fuck Bret

Some guy at Penn State Hershey just discovered a virus that eats cancer. Where were the CNN trucks for that? Now Someone at PSU found something that could cure Leukemia. Coverage? None. THON will probably break $10 mil this year. Put that on "Outside the Lines" you sanctimonious pricks!

by ICEICETHATGUY13 on Jan 3, 2012 8:30 PM CST up reply actions  

It is clear...

…that Crazy Old Testament God has decided to smite Wisconsin with a glorious clock plague. My prayers have apparently been answered. =)

by GoAUpher on Jan 3, 2012 8:49 PM CST up reply actions  

Mike Martin should do a Mutumbo finger wave right now.

by GCS on Jan 3, 2012 8:33 PM CST via Android app reply actions  

Man, watching Denard struggle like this

just pisses me off all the more that OSU couldn’t stop him at all, all day long.

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by Ted Glover on Jan 3, 2012 8:43 PM CST reply actions  

Well for what it's worth

You only had a week

they had nearly a month. Big difference

Some guy at Penn State Hershey just discovered a virus that eats cancer. Where were the CNN trucks for that? Now Someone at PSU found something that could cure Leukemia. Coverage? None. THON will probably break $10 mil this year. Put that on "Outside the Lines" you sanctimonious pricks!

by ICEICETHATGUY13 on Jan 3, 2012 8:44 PM CST up reply actions  

Whatever result you get

depends on which Denard Robinson shows up.

Wild Denard = Probable win over Michigan

Good Denard = Probably loss to Michigan

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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Jan 3, 2012 10:08 PM CST up reply actions  

WHAT

That’s some Notre Dame shit there

Some guy at Penn State Hershey just discovered a virus that eats cancer. Where were the CNN trucks for that? Now Someone at PSU found something that could cure Leukemia. Coverage? None. THON will probably break $10 mil this year. Put that on "Outside the Lines" you sanctimonious pricks!

by ICEICETHATGUY13 on Jan 3, 2012 8:45 PM CST reply actions  

WOW.....

Some guy at Penn State Hershey just discovered a virus that eats cancer. Where were the CNN trucks for that? Now Someone at PSU found something that could cure Leukemia. Coverage? None. THON will probably break $10 mil this year. Put that on "Outside the Lines" you sanctimonious pricks!

by ICEICETHATGUY13 on Jan 3, 2012 8:50 PM CST reply actions  

What do they put in the water in Ann Arbor?

Because they are luuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuucky

by SpartyFever on Jan 3, 2012 8:51 PM CST reply actions  

So many crazy crazy B1G events this year

-Touchdown-fest between ND and UM
-Both MSU and OSU hail mary TD against Wisconsin
-Leaping sack by MSU on OSU
-Backhanded, one-hand catch by McNutt
-Incredible B1GCG

I know there have been so many more!

by SpartyFever on Jan 3, 2012 8:57 PM CST reply actions  

How does Denard have the ability to literally lob it up in the air

and have a receiver catch it? It’s just incredible.

It’s like he closes his eyes and just heaves it

by SpartyFever on Jan 3, 2012 8:59 PM CST reply actions  

It's the damndest thing I've ever seen

But hell, it works.

"Go hard. I mean, like relentless. I want a bunch of coaches that coach like their hair’s on fire, and I want a football team that goes for four to six seconds (per play) with relentless effort." OSU Coach Urban Meyer.

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by Ted Glover on Jan 3, 2012 9:04 PM CST up reply actions  

I just like the disclaimers

“Trucks cannot snowboard. Do not attempt”
“Trucks cannot do barrel rolls. Do not attempt”

by SpartyFever on Jan 3, 2012 9:25 PM CST up reply actions  

Logan Thomas sees you Denard...

…and he raises you one horrible INT.

by GoAUpher on Jan 3, 2012 9:32 PM CST reply actions  

This is one of the sloppiest games I’ve ever seen. Ugly.

by Lesterh on Jan 3, 2012 9:33 PM CST reply actions  

I think Brady Hoke gained about 20 more lbs since the OSU game. Shitty call there too.

by Lesterh on Jan 3, 2012 9:35 PM CST reply actions  

That was absolutely the correct call. Hosley grabbed Gallon’s just and threw him backwards to gain position.

by GCS on Jan 3, 2012 9:37 PM CST up reply actions  

That was a good call

Bad throw, but that was PI all the way.

"Go hard. I mean, like relentless. I want a bunch of coaches that coach like their hair’s on fire, and I want a football team that goes for four to six seconds (per play) with relentless effort." OSU Coach Urban Meyer.

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by Ted Glover on Jan 3, 2012 9:38 PM CST up reply actions  

SUBJECT LINE

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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Jan 3, 2012 10:09 PM CST up reply actions  

wow

UM is swimming in it now

by buckyor on Jan 3, 2012 9:37 PM CST reply actions  

Seriously...

…Notre Dame WTF Part Deux here.

by GoAUpher on Jan 3, 2012 9:38 PM CST reply actions  

Honestly, this is embarrassing

for both teams.

Someone, just play like a D1 football team.

by SpartyFever on Jan 3, 2012 9:39 PM CST reply actions  

I predict they’ll miss the next field goal.

by Lesterh on Jan 3, 2012 9:46 PM CST reply actions  

And here it comes.

by Lesterh on Jan 3, 2012 9:47 PM CST reply actions  

right down the middle

"Go hard. I mean, like relentless. I want a bunch of coaches that coach like their hair’s on fire, and I want a football team that goes for four to six seconds (per play) with relentless effort." OSU Coach Urban Meyer.

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by Ted Glover on Jan 3, 2012 9:47 PM CST up reply actions  

Lol, they sent him home on a bus!

by Lesterh on Jan 3, 2012 9:53 PM CST reply actions  

Wait no, he was arrested. The 2nd stringer was on a bus I think.

by Lesterh on Jan 3, 2012 9:54 PM CST reply actions  

So it looks like all the KUM-BAY-AH

stops at the Ann Arbor city limits?

Cold blooded, man. Cold blooded.

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by Ted Glover on Jan 3, 2012 10:11 PM CST reply actions  

I agree, they are killing the run. Corners are damn good too.

by Lesterh on Jan 3, 2012 10:16 PM CST reply actions  

DR's throwing motion

is freaking awful. Pryor’s looks textbook in comparison.

"Go hard. I mean, like relentless. I want a bunch of coaches that coach like their hair’s on fire, and I want a football team that goes for four to six seconds (per play) with relentless effort." OSU Coach Urban Meyer.

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by Ted Glover on Jan 3, 2012 10:16 PM CST reply actions  

Hemingway will be a big loss for them next year

He’s their only big receiver and he’s been great on winning jump balls from Denard.

by Stones1981 on Jan 3, 2012 10:18 PM CST up reply actions  

Dodd just tweeted

that Attendance is 12,000 below capacity.

Michigan sold out their allotment, correct?

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by Ted Glover on Jan 3, 2012 10:18 PM CST reply actions  

I don’t think they quite sold it all out. The bottoming-out secondary market made it impossible to sell out the regularly priced tickets.

by GCS on Jan 3, 2012 10:22 PM CST up reply actions  

DERP Formation on 4th down

Holy Christ, that was epic.

"Go hard. I mean, like relentless. I want a bunch of coaches that coach like their hair’s on fire, and I want a football team that goes for four to six seconds (per play) with relentless effort." OSU Coach Urban Meyer.

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by Ted Glover on Jan 3, 2012 10:26 PM CST reply actions  

That’s it Denard, keep throwing that thing.

by Lesterh on Jan 3, 2012 10:26 PM CST reply actions  

There’s no need to review that.

by GCS on Jan 3, 2012 10:37 PM CST reply actions  

(prays for massive kickoff derp)

I don’t even care who wins at this point, I just want to see something ridiculous happen.

by __sdfg on Jan 3, 2012 10:45 PM CST reply actions  

Big miss

MI is going to luck into a win after getting their butts kicked all game long.

by br27 on Jan 3, 2012 10:55 PM CST reply actions  

The only BIG team I wanted to lose is gonna pull it out.

by Lesterh on Jan 3, 2012 10:55 PM CST reply actions  

Michigan still has to convert. It ain’t over. Just ask Michigan State.

by GCS on Jan 3, 2012 10:56 PM CST up reply actions  

What about ...

MI getting blown out by an ACC runner up that didn’t beat anyone all season and hearing about it from ESPN ad infinitum for the next 12 months?

by br27 on Jan 3, 2012 11:02 PM CST up reply actions  

The B1G could go 10-0 and we'd still be slow

and this would be a fluke.

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by Ted Glover on Jan 3, 2012 11:16 PM CST up reply actions  

True

By try losing to the ACC in the BCS and see what happens.

by br27 on Jan 3, 2012 11:18 PM CST up reply actions  

We'd never hear the end of that...

This Hokie team is what, 1-27 (1-19 in the Beamer era) against top 5 teams? I think their wins against ranked teams is equally dismal.

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by MediBuck on Jan 4, 2012 12:25 AM CST up reply actions  

After the interview...

I was expecting him to fall over a coffee table and tell his players that they may live in a van down by a river.

That dog just won't hunt.

by Bush League All Star on Jan 3, 2012 11:02 PM CST up reply actions  

It's Michigan

that sort of thing is generally assumed, isn’t it?

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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Jan 3, 2012 11:16 PM CST up reply actions  

And it's good

Thank you, Michigan, for proving that our conference can still beat the ACC.

by __sdfg on Jan 3, 2012 11:00 PM CST reply actions  

Amen

It pains me a bit to say it, but congrats Michigan.

by McSparty on Jan 3, 2012 11:03 PM CST up reply actions  

I got the impression from this game that the ACC can beat itself

and Michigan can stand there and collect the benefits.

by DoubleB on Jan 3, 2012 11:11 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

As an aside

predict Michigan only wins 8 or so next year. Can’t get this lucky again.

by DoubleB on Jan 3, 2012 11:19 PM CST up reply actions  

I was rooting for UM

til I saw the sign about MSU and tears tasting like sugar. Then I went VT the rest of the game.

Congrats UM. You won, though it wasn’t pretty. I just don’t want to hear about it for the next 12 months.

by SpartyFever on Jan 3, 2012 11:04 PM CST reply actions  

Maybe not >>>

I’d say > or maybe >>. But the point stands otherwise.

by br27 on Jan 3, 2012 11:17 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah, right
I just don’t want to hear about it for the next 12 months.

What are the odds of not hearing about it? At least MSU also won.

by br27 on Jan 3, 2012 11:16 PM CST up reply actions  

I don't have a real dog in this

fight, but what the hell does Michigan brag about? The TWO national championships they’ve won in the wire service era (1936). Talk about doing so little with so much. Losing more Rose Bowls than anybody else?

I’ve never, ever understood the Michigan hype. All advantages and little results.

by DoubleB on Jan 3, 2012 11:21 PM CST up reply actions  

Seems like a large part in losing more Rose Bowls than anyone comes from going to a shitton of them.

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by U-God on Jan 3, 2012 11:24 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

We won in '97

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by Alex Cook on Jan 4, 2012 12:02 AM CST up reply actions   1 recs

You and your facts.

"Many people need desperately to receive this message: 'I feel and think much as you do, care about many of the things you care about, although most people do not care about them. You are not alone.'"

by U-God on Jan 4, 2012 7:29 AM CST up reply actions  

Congrats, Junior

His first game was Appalachian State. His last game he gets the Sugar Bowl MVP. What a long strange road.

by GCS on Jan 3, 2012 11:09 PM CST reply actions  

Don't try to block Holly Rowe from her interview target. Just don't.

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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Jan 3, 2012 11:10 PM CST reply actions  

This made me strangely turned on.

“OUTTA MAH WAY, BIZCH!!”

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by MediBuck on Jan 4, 2012 12:27 AM CST up reply actions  

There's no way you hear about it for 12 months...

The next UM/MSU game is in ten. In any case, I don’t think this is a game Any UM fan will willingly watch again.

Both UM and MSU benefitted from the other team’s fuckups. As a UM fan, the only thing I have say about the win is this: It’s official, Brady Hoke shits horseshoes.

And, by the way, is Beamer a great coach or what? VT wasn’t as talented as past VT teams, but even with every possible break going against them they hung in, played hard, played smart, and nearly came away with a win. Impressive.

by patrickdolan on Jan 3, 2012 11:53 PM CST reply actions  

On the contrary...

I felt that his team played very sloppily and lacked discipline. The number of crucial penalties was face-palm-worthy, and clearly players took risks on questionable personal decisions rather than play safe, sound fundamentals. True, they showed a ton of heart, but I think that smarter coaching could have sealed this one.

Not to take anything away from UM taking advantage of these things and executing where they should. We OSU fans know a thing or two about being given awesome opportunities and squandering them.

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by MediBuck on Jan 4, 2012 12:33 AM CST up reply actions  

My take:

2 signs you are a horrible coach:

1. You get every ounce of bad luck possible (bad luck follows poorly prepared teams)

2. Your name is Frank Beamer.

I thought it impossible until last night that someone could make Bret Bielema look like a smart jock, but old Frank did it with ease.

As a Spartan fan, this wolf team doesn’t scare me in the least. Horrible O line play by them tonight.

by Thibtw on Jan 4, 2012 6:24 AM CST up reply actions  

Lucky, favorable schedule, hype, media bias, bad refs, blah blah blah...

Before this season who thought Hoke would lead Michigan to 11 wins? Nobody.

The fact that he and Mattison fixed the defense and got a BCS win with this team is a major accomplishment no matter how it happened.

(And don’t worry Sparty fans. Everyone knows your team is the best!)

by PCS on Jan 4, 2012 12:09 AM CST reply actions  

What a way to end the season

I can’t really think of any way that Hoke gets off to a better start. He’s established himself as a coach on the rise, and there will be a lot of talk about Michigan going into next season.

And you guys that rooted for all the B1G schools except Michigan can kindly go fuck yourselves (but thanks for the few heart-felt congrats).

by lonewolf371 on Jan 4, 2012 12:46 AM CST reply actions  

Haters gon’ hate…GO BLUE

by snoopblue on Jan 4, 2012 1:15 AM CST reply actions  

If the call in the end zone hadn't been overturned...

Or if either of the fourth down plays had worked, Beamer would be a genius. And being aggressive, given the way his quarterback played, was the right thing to do. Even the running into the kicker penalty, dumb as it was, was the result of playing to win.

Their defense played great. Maybe Molk was hurt. Maybe Robinson had a bad game. But you don’t hold Michigan’s offense to 184 yards without staying in your lanes. That’s what I was referencing.

College football is maddening because some days “the better team” means nothing more than “the team that made fewer mistakes.” And some days, in all sports at all levels, the ball just bounces your way. I’m happy my team won, but I know what I saw last night. Michigan made plays, especially on defense, and they got a lot of help from the football gods.

Now excuse me, I have to go sacrifice that goat I promised Moloch at the beginning of the second quarter.

by patrickdolan on Jan 4, 2012 9:18 AM CST reply actions  

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