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2012 BCS and B1G Bowl Projections - Opening Call

After the 2012 season, I don't expect the Sooners to be running in a second tier bowl in the desert.  (Photo by Christian Petersen/Getty Images)

Uncertainty. Any time someone looks to the future, there is uncertainty. Each week that I make my bowl projections, there is the unknown of how teams will perform. When I have made these ridiculously early projections in the past, there has been uncertainty as to what players will and will not return to college. But this year adds a whole new level of uncertainty. Namely, where is West Virginia going to be playing in 2012?

I like the Mountaineers a lot for 2012 (and did before they hung 70 on Clemson), but their likelihood of getting to a BCS game is dependent upon where they're playing. In the Big East, West Virginia could run the table and find themselves in the title game. In the Big 12, they could lose three games. With the Big East winning the first legal skirmish (but it's hardly over), I'm presuming that they'll be kept in the Big East through at least the 2012 season.

In the Big Ten, this may be a huge year for Purdue and Illinois. Who? Hear me out about the Leaders Division. Wisconsin, even with the return of Montee Ball, looks to be down from last year. They won't be bad, but they won't be dominant. Ohio State is barred from the B1G Title Game. Penn State is still recovering with a first-time head coach and a mid-level team returning. When will there be a better time for one of those two programs to rise up and earn a berth in the B1G Championship Game? Seriously, 5-3 with the right tiebreaks might get you to the game.

In the Legends Division, we're looking at three key games: Michigan at Nebraska, Nebraska at Michigan State, and Michigan State at Michigan. Maybe Iowa can sneak in and cause some trouble, but I expect that those three teams will rise head and shoulders above the rest of the division. As for what happens, let's get to the projections.

But first, let's remember that there are rules:

  1. The best teams don't always go to the best games. In the end, butts in the seat and eyes to the television are the biggest factors.
  2. The order of BCS selection (and we're bringing the title game back to South Beach this season) is 1) Replacement for #1 Team; 2) Replacement for #2 Team; 3) Fiesta Bowl; 4) Sugar Bowl; 5) Orange Bowl.
  3. Until a team is officially bowl banned, we assume that they can and will go. So, no Ohio State. And Miami, Oregon, North Carolina...you're in consideration until otherwise notified.
  4. If a Big Ten or Pac-10 team qualifies for the BCS Championship Game, the Rose Bowl will NOT be required to take a non-automatic qualifier. This was only required of the Rose Bowl the first time (2010 season) it occurred over the current four-year contract.
  5. The Gator Bowl is supposed to be selecting ahead of the Insight Bowl in 2012. However, I have seen reports indicating that the Insight agreed to pass on Ohio State in 2011 in return for the earlier selection in 2012 and 2013. I'm picking as if that is the case.

Got it? Good. Let's get on to the projections.

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The Big Ten gets back to the B1G Time. Michigan upsets a young/reloading Alabama defense in Dallas to start the season. It marches through the rest of the conference undefeated, with scares against Nebraska and Ohio State.

Oklahoma, behind the two-headed QB play of Landry Jones and Blake Bell, run through their slate undefeated as well. This leaves LSU, the 12-1 SEC champ frozen out of the BCS title game.

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Sparty goes to the Rose Bowl! But not as a B1G Champion. Is Sparty happy? Is Sparty ever happy? I think that Michigan State drops two games, and gets picked as an at large to the Rose Bowl. I can't emphasize enough how much I love the MSU defense.

Well, look what the cat dragged in. USC finishes 12-1, and beats Oregon in the Pac-12 title game. This is a huge year for USC. After 2012, the bite of the scholarship sanctions will start to be felt. It really is BCS Title or bust for them.

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Here lies the streak of SEC Championship, dead at six. Killed by its own superiority, as no team can run the table this year. Mind you, if not for unbeaten teams from the B1G and Big 12, LSU would go to the title game. It will hold the trump card over all 1 loss teams. Unfortunately for the SEC, this year the chips don't fall the right way.

Oregon loses two games - both to USC - and finds itself in VERY hostile territory.

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Florida State should be the best team in the ACC next year. I've wrongly thought that too many consecutive times to pick them winning the ACC next year. Virginia Tech returns to losing Orange Bowls after their one season detour losing a Sugar Bowl.

West Virginia goes 11-1. Again, I am making this projection with them as a Big East team after the recent temporary injunction. They can be scary good if the defense can hold up just a little bit.

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I hope you liked Orlando, Huskers. A 9-3 season sends Nebraska back to Magic Kingdom.

Arkansas looks like a 10-2 team to me. If you want a sleeper that could represent the SEC in the BCS title game, here it is.

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I think that Wisconsin ends up 9-4 with a loss to Michigan in the B1G title game. Yes, 5-3 wins the Leaders this season. By the way, the loser of the B1G title game can fall no further than the 4th post-BCS selection.

South Carolina ends up as a team that is much better than its final record. It's brutal schedule forces them down the SEC pecking order.

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I have Illinois pegged at 8-4. They have enough talent, that if they made a good coaching hire, I could see them slipping into Indianapolis. The schedule is rough, but manageable.

Again, the Big 12 bowls are a bit messy without knowing if they'll have 9 or 10 teams. Figure on an 8-4 Big 12 team getting the nod.

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I think that Iowa goes 8-4. The non-conference schedule is marshmallow soft, and they avoid Wisconsin, Ohio State and Illinois again. The Insight passes on them only to avoid a third consecutive trip.

I suspect that Tennessee has another mediocre year, but catches enough breaks on an easy schedule to finish 7-5. I don't know that Derek Dooley makes the trip with the team.

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Penn State finishes at 7-5. I don't expect it to be a happy year in State College.

Texas Tech manages to get to 6-6 and is the last Big 12 team to claim a bowl spot.

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Purdue also manages to get to 7 wins. That gets them a one bowl upgrade from last season. If the defense can make any strides from last year, be wary of the Boilers as a sleeper pick for Indy.

When the Big 12 can't fill this slot (and it won't), the agreement is for a C-USA team to fill in. Look for the best non-champion team from the Western Division to get the call.

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Minnesota? Yes, Minnesota. It says here that the Gophers get to six wins. Jerry Kill can coach and the non-conference slate is easy enough to see it happen.

You're throwing darts if you're trying to pick a MAC team at this point, but I'll guess Toledo.

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If you can't get to six wins (or if you get busted by the NCAA), you'll find yourself on the couch with the Queso Bowl.

I think that Ohio State could go 10-2 or 9-3. Their absence makes a winning bowl record by the Big Ten even less likely.

Indiana is still Indiana. Maybe they get a conference win this season, maybe they don't.

I think Northwestern falls. They, along with Penn State, are the two teams that I think take the biggest step back in 2012. They could go 5-7, but I wouldn't be surprised to see them at 4-8.

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And by the way

I think we’ll see Alabama in the Cotton Bowl at 9-3.

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by Bama Hawkeye on Jan 9, 2012 10:55 PM CST reply actions  

SEC is on a streak and there is no way Oklahoma is in NC game

Bob stoops will find ways to lose to Kansas State next year. Georgia will win the SEC.

by spartynation on Jan 9, 2012 11:01 PM CST reply actions  

Sooooooo...Tennessee?

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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Jan 13, 2012 11:05 AM CST up reply actions  

Personally I think TCU upends 0U at home this year more likely- Interesting fact: TCU has three defensive coordinators (two former) that have called the defense that has beaten 0U in their first shot on staff. I think they get blitzed in Fort Worth, but 0U wins the conference at 11-1

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by HawkeyedFrog on Jan 10, 2012 1:25 AM CST up reply actions  

Damn you

I was dreading you putting the Buckeyes on the Queso dip. Oh well. Still love reading your predictions Bama!

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by Ian_InsideTheShoe on Jan 9, 2012 11:06 PM CST via iPhone app reply actions  

I can't wait to see the MSU fans' comments

I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.

by HoyaGoon on Jan 9, 2012 11:07 PM CST reply actions   1 recs

I don't remember

I think it was more like 8 or 9. But I do remember that MSULaxer predicted Purdue would go 1-10. Why do I remember that? Because PurdueMatt brought it up in EVERY. SINGLE. THREAD.

I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.

by HoyaGoon on Jan 9, 2012 11:21 PM CST up reply actions   2 recs

that's right Ricardo Effendi predicted 6-6 with loss to Indiana.

How do I remember that? Because MSU message board lit up with his name after every game.

by spartynation on Jan 9, 2012 11:24 PM CST up reply actions  

Which was almost as far off as Laxer's prediction, actually

But since it’s much harder to win 11 from 6 then it is to go to 1 from 7, I think it’s safe to say Efrendi wins the terrible prediction of the year award.

by cwel87 on Jan 10, 2012 1:14 PM CST up reply actions  

1-11! 1-11, DAMN IT! WE WERE DISRESPECTED!!!

/PurdueMatt’d

Seriously, though, Laxer didn’t do himself any favors by doubling or tripling down. Can we call a no-win on this?

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by Boiler Bandsman on Jan 9, 2012 11:50 PM CST up reply actions  

I remember that I predicted SParty would win the Big Ten.

If it wasn’t for a terrible running into the kicker penalty, I would have been correct.

by AhliBobwa on Jan 11, 2012 10:18 AM CST up reply actions  

I think Wisconsin didn't really try to tackle after they saw the flag

that’s why Keshawn Martin got such a good runback there. So, I don’t think you can say 100% MSU would’ve won after that. Wisconsin still had the momentum in the game, and the lead.

by Arro on Jan 11, 2012 9:09 PM CST up reply actions  

Hey, what the hell, why is Mich.....

Ah, fuck it. I agree, UM is good. But they are going to have to prove that they can actually, you know, beat Michigan State before we give them anything. ANYTHING.

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by jhitts08 on Jan 9, 2012 11:44 PM CST up reply actions  

Saban is pissed.

Before MSU gives anything, his backup defense is ready to give it to UM in Cowboys stadium.

by spartynation on Jan 10, 2012 8:06 AM CST up reply actions  

Meh

I stopped putting any faith in what anyone on OTE says or predicts in regards to MSU. (see the predictions from last year or the “why MSU is the worst 11-2 team ever” article that some Iowa joker wrote last year). Its still a lot of fun to come here though and you guys do a nice job overall.

by StickyGreen on Jan 10, 2012 10:10 AM CST via mobile up reply actions   1 recs

I'm not as high on Michigan or Illinois

If you swap MSU and Michigan, I’d agree more. I don’t know what to make of Illinois…

I agree with most of the rest of these. I think WVU is going to do some major damage in the Big 12, and I don’t think Mack Brown has what it takes to bring Texas back. OU is neither here nor there

I think it’ll be another rough year for the B1G in bowl games… with OSU out and all the talent loaded into one division, I think we’re going to be pretty mismatched in bowl games, once again.

When we get the Pig, the Jug and the Axe, we'll have one hell of a picnic

by Marshmoose on Jan 9, 2012 11:08 PM CST reply actions  

it's obviously unlikely

it’s more likely than umich though. but it’s WAY more plausible than umich (for the simple fact that they open against alabama).

if msu wins out, they will most certainly be in the title game. i mean, they WON’T win out. they will lose a couple, i suspect they will lose at least two. but they will start the season in the top 15 and play both boise st and notre dame in the noncon. this is probably the most likely situation in my lifetime for msu to get to the national championship. i’d still put the odds very, very low.

honestly, i think they have a decent shot at the rose bowl, or if they win the noncon and lose the big ten championship they are likely to end up in a BCS bowl. but then again, i’m a spartan fan, anything with 9+ wins and i will be celebrating.

by alvion on Jan 10, 2012 10:55 PM CST up reply actions  

Hmmm
it’s more likely than umich though. but it’s WAY more plausible than umich

This makes me question your reasoning.

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by hkobb7 on Jan 12, 2012 7:03 PM CST up reply actions  

Oh, and if this plays out

WVU absolutely rolls VA Tech. Because if there is one thing Tech does, it is lose BCS games.

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by HoyaGoon on Jan 9, 2012 11:08 PM CST reply actions  

Question regarding the BCS next year

if they choose to adopt the “+1” system that has been mentioned repeatedly the last few weeks would that come into play starting next year or years after?

by McSparty on Jan 9, 2012 11:09 PM CST reply actions  

Good work

Good work. I look forward to an offseason of being overrated and I’m not being sarcastic. I’m fine with that haha.

by Good Ol' Oakley on Jan 9, 2012 11:29 PM CST reply actions  

I just don't see it

AL will spank MI, ending MI’s chance right there. I’d say OU vs USC, with MI vs OR, UT vs AR, LSU vs NE and VT vs UL.

MSU finds another way to miss a BCS bowl, being skipped over for NE (presumably despite beating NE head to head because that’s how Sparty rolls).

by br27 on Jan 9, 2012 11:53 PM CST reply actions  

I mean, Sparty could

if this year was any indication, it seems like the losers of the CCG (MSU/UGA) are inevitably destined (unless they’re undefeated) to drop to the #3 slot. So we could, conceivably, see Sparty miss the BCS again if they lose the CCG.

by MNWildcat on Jan 10, 2012 1:59 AM CST up reply actions  

IMO whomever wins the west

will win the CCG. Like the author noted, with tOSU banned, PSU still figuring out what’s going on, and Whiskey’s offense expected to be so uncertain, I don’t see how a Purdue or Illinois can take out MSU, U-M, or UNL in the title game. Yeah, anything can happen on the field in a one game playoff, but I just don’t see it happening.

by MSUDersh on Jan 10, 2012 11:30 AM CST up reply actions  

Oh, of course

I’m not arguing that. I’m just saying that it might be better to come in second in the West rather than win the West but lose the CCG.

by MNWildcat on Jan 10, 2012 11:43 AM CST up reply actions  

Yeah in a certain sense,

That happened this season.

Though I suppose I would rather my school have had the chance to win & go to the Rose Bowl, than have to sit at home & back its way into the BCS off of a loss.

Though I have to wonder if the tables were turned, if U-M would have dropped enough in the polls to fall out of the BCS if it was 10-2 & then lost in Indy, and conversely, if 10-2 but sitting at home MSU would sneak up enough to get into the top 14 (and then get an at-large). Based on where the computer rankings were going into the CCG, something tells me no . . .

by MSUDersh on Jan 10, 2012 11:52 AM CST up reply actions  

I have a friend from a small rural area in Nebraska...

…and he asked me to text him updates of that game because he was visiting family and he either didn’t have TV reception or was too tied up at the time to watch, I forget which.

When the game got to 22-21 MSU, I texted him to go find a TV somewhere for goodness’ sake and watch this game, it would be an absolute travesty to miss what was going on here!

That game totally obliterated my expectations, which were actually pretty high to begin with. I was expecting a triple, I got a grand slam.

by HailVarsity on Jan 11, 2012 4:30 AM CST up reply actions  

The B1G title game is still sitting lonely and unwatched on my DVR.

I just can’t bring myself to watch it again. It’s a shame – such a tremendous game with such a shitty ending.

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by Spartan D on Jan 11, 2012 8:33 AM CST up reply actions  

Do what I do for crippling loss games

For the OSU-Florida title game, I just put the opening kickoff on a continuous loop. Then the game mysteriously died in a fire.

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by Ted Glover on Jan 11, 2012 9:51 AM CST up reply actions   1 recs

That could also work for the 2003 Orange Bowl.

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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Jan 13, 2012 9:27 AM CST up reply actions  

Perhaps you'd like to talk about

all the Wisky Rose Bowl victories this decade.

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by HoyaGoon on Jan 13, 2012 11:35 AM CST up reply actions  

I see what you did there

And it doesn’t apply. Wisconsin did not return the opening kick for a score and then proceed to get blasted from then on out.

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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Jan 13, 2012 11:38 AM CST up reply actions  

Me too.I erased it. Can't bear to watch it.

there is no person that I hate more than Bielema. Even Brady Hoke seems like a nice guy and I absolutely hate UM. Bielema is the office guy who always acts smart, knows everything and tries to make everyone else in the work place stupid with his comments. When there is a dark moment in PSU program BB comes up with lines such as " It is good to be a Wisconsin fan right now".

by spartynation on Jan 11, 2012 11:30 AM CST up reply actions  

Bielema strikes me as the football player in HS who stuffed smaller kids in lockers...

because a) he could and b) he could get away with it.

I’m not saying Dantonio is a saint, but Bielema strikes me as the type of person who gives athletes a bad name (think Alpha Betas from Revenge of the Nerds).

by MSULaxer27 on Jan 12, 2012 12:03 PM CST up reply actions   2 recs

So the Hoosiers are the Lambdas

To Coach Harris’s Bielma’s Adams College Atoms?

If thats the case, I hope Coach Kill can become their U.N. Washington.

by MSUDersh on Jan 13, 2012 7:27 AM CST up reply actions  

Michigan could totally still go to the NCG despite losing to Alabama in the opener.

If there’s anything we’ve learned the past few years, it’s that early losses are easily forgotten, and that name recognition makes up for losses (viz. Alabama over Okie State).

That said, I don’t see Michigan winning out…I think M will go 8-4 (losses to Alabama, at Nebraska, and at Ohio State, and either at Notre Dame or against MSU).

I do agree with the MSU as the early Rose Bowl favorite, though as CCG champ, not as an at-large.

by CPT Hoolie on Jan 12, 2012 11:00 AM CST up reply actions  

All things being equal at this point, a 1 loss B1G team won't be picked

over a 1 loss SEC or Big XII team.

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by Ted Glover on Jan 12, 2012 1:47 PM CST up reply actions  

West Virginia

Will they even be in the Big East next year?

by Gophermike on Jan 10, 2012 2:07 AM CST reply actions  

Big East

has a temporary injunction in place keeping them in the Big East. We won’t have a full decision until late in the Spring. Yes, this will cause havoc with the schedules.

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by Bama Hawkeye on Jan 10, 2012 6:21 AM CST up reply actions  

LOL

Gopher positivity this early will always get a rec from me.

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by Ted Glover on Jan 10, 2012 8:11 AM CST up reply actions  

They're not dead

we just stopped importing them.

In the name of the Woody, the Bo, and the Mustache Ride. Amen.

by Pariahwulfen on Jan 10, 2012 2:48 PM CST up reply actions  

What is more horrifying?

That series of shows has been going since the mid ’70s, according to the wikki.

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by Pariahwulfen on Jan 10, 2012 2:57 PM CST up reply actions  

No. Stop it.

The world does not need this information. Shudder.

by GoAUpher on Jan 10, 2012 3:07 PM CST up reply actions  

Can we back up to the part where you mentioned TOLEDO'S MASCOT IS A POWER RANGER?

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by KennardHusker on Jan 10, 2012 3:24 PM CST up reply actions  

Yes.

I stand by my unsourced visual assumption that their rocketman is actually an undead Power Ranger come to haunt the opponents with his special…well, I didn’t really watch PR so I’m unsure of their powers. I’d say Water since he’s in blue, but I’m pretty sure that was Captain Planet I’m thinking of.

by GoAUpher on Jan 10, 2012 6:02 PM CST up reply actions  

I thought it was dinosaurs. Dinosaurs are much cooler than positive vibes.

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by KennardHusker on Jan 11, 2012 11:50 AM CST up reply actions  

where is the Rocket? I thought they would have something to do with Rockets.

WHy do they have maize and Blue as colors. Is it because the state of Michigan wanted Toledo to be a part of their state.

by spartynation on Jan 11, 2012 11:32 AM CST up reply actions  

here's the old mascot

I’ll let you figure out why it got replaced

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by Pariahwulfen on Jan 11, 2012 11:52 AM CST up reply actions  

I like Michigan a lot next year

Their defense is legit, but after watching Alabama’s defense last night, I think Denard Robinson will be put through 4 quarters of hell.

And they aren’t beating OSU in the ‘Shoe next year. That’s OSU’s defacto bowl game.

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by Ted Glover on Jan 10, 2012 7:45 AM CST reply actions  

Bama's defense

will have 3-4 starters back. The rest will be playing on Sundays. Michigan is getting Alabama in exactly the right week.

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by Bama Hawkeye on Jan 10, 2012 8:26 AM CST up reply actions  

You could probably say the same for Alabama getting Michigan

and the two deep at Alabama could probably start at most D-1 schools. If this was in the Big House, I’d give Michigan a better than 50% chance. It will be a great statement game for UM and the B1G if UM can win, don’t get me wrong. I just think ’Bama is too good.

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by Ted Glover on Jan 10, 2012 8:29 AM CST up reply actions  

Tsun and Ted sittin' in a tree

/being a jerk
//from a long line of jerks

by biggy84 on Jan 10, 2012 11:44 PM CST up reply actions  

MI is losing their 2 best defenders (VanBergen, Martin).

Bama will reload their D. I don’t see MI winning that game.

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by Spartan D on Jan 10, 2012 8:58 AM CST up reply actions  

I could really see

that ’Bama QB coming into his own next year too. He is pretty young.

by McSparty on Jan 10, 2012 10:02 AM CST up reply actions  

I guess there is a possibility that Bama gets full of themselves in the offseason and shows up not ready to play.

But, from a talent and coachign standpoint, Bama is way ahead of MI (and unfortunately, most everyone else in the B1G)

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by Spartan D on Jan 10, 2012 11:29 AM CST up reply actions  

My point exactly

Although I appreciate the love from Ted on UM, I agree with him that Bama will probably put UM through four quarters of hell. I hate to say it, but I think that they are just too strong. And I think UM is best in store for a 9-3 record due to losing Martin and RVB, unless something miraculous happens on the D line with Ash, BWC or some of the other below the radar kids. We’ll see. The secondary should be very much improved which I hope will take some pressure off the line, which was sort of the reverse this past season. LB play will also be stronger with Morgan becoming a sophomore and Bolden the super frosh out of that state down south.

I like UM moving into the next three years, but next year’s schedule is brutal. IF THEY DO HAPPEN to make it to the BCS, they will have really earned it.

by GoWings2008 on Jan 10, 2012 2:08 PM CST up reply actions  

this happens every year

and they have had a dominant defense for the past three years.

i will be pulling hard for umich, but bama is going to wipe the floor with them. :(

by alvion on Jan 10, 2012 11:00 PM CST up reply actions  

I've thought the same crazy scenario for Purdue in the title game next year too

It would be pretty wild, but we get both Wiscosnin and Michigan at home. If we somehow split those, we might get lucky enough.

The trip to Ohio State will be tough. yes, we own the Buckeyes, but that charm ends at the West Lafayette city limits. We haven’t won in Columbus since 1988, our longest losing streak on the road against a B1G opponent (though we have never played in Lincoln)

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by BoilerTMill on Jan 10, 2012 7:49 AM CST reply actions  

It's the Wisconsin game

That’s the date to circle for Purdue. Win that, finish 5-3, and I think the tiebreaker will get you through to Indianapolis.

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by Bama Hawkeye on Jan 10, 2012 8:27 AM CST up reply actions  

Can I play?

7-5 (5-3) PU makes to the B1G game where they play 11-1 MSU (who lost to NU-L but beat UM).

PU fans at the Oildome put LSD in MSU’s gatorade and PU wins 5-3.

PU goes to the Rose and 11-1 UM (with a loss to MSU) goes to the NC where they rematch against the Tide (whose single loss is to UM).

MSU goes to the Insight Bowl.

by MSULaxer27 on Jan 10, 2012 8:39 AM CST up reply actions  

Phoenix is a solid destination for New Years.

Wait, what do you mean the Insight isn’t a new years day bowl?

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by Spartan D on Jan 10, 2012 9:00 AM CST up reply actions  

MSU gets 3 in that scenario?

Have you ever tired to kick a FG while tripping? Not gonna happen.

by MSUDersh on Jan 10, 2012 11:33 AM CST up reply actions  

Actually no I haven't...

….I would think it would work better, though, trying to chase away the 40-foot gorilla with octopus tentacles and Lady Gaga’s head with the only weapon available: kicking the football at it.

by CPT Hoolie on Jan 12, 2012 11:03 AM CST up reply actions  

VT's punter tried to punt while tripping...

It didn’t end well.

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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Jan 13, 2012 9:29 AM CST up reply actions  

BEAMER BALL!!

It’s fantastic!

I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.

by HoyaGoon on Jan 13, 2012 11:35 AM CST up reply actions  

I think this is the Beta Version of Beamer Ball

You’ll notice the kink of the punter forgetting whatever the hell he’s supposed to do with the ball, before realizing just how doomed he is.

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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Jan 13, 2012 11:38 AM CST up reply actions  

Purdue will getted killed in Iowa City, though

since it’s the only rivalry game the Hawkeyes care about…

Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.

by Kyle McCann't on Jan 13, 2012 10:03 AM CST up reply actions  

Because there's no trophy involved

for us to not possess

I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.

by HoyaGoon on Jan 13, 2012 11:36 AM CST up reply actions   2 recs

You guys just needed the space for more wrestling trophies

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by Pariahwulfen on Jan 13, 2012 11:56 AM CST up reply actions  

It's Purdue

So you’re battling for the “non-existent” trophy.

by GTom on Jan 13, 2012 12:52 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Maybe the trophy is in space?

Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.

by Kyle McCann't on Jan 15, 2012 6:17 AM CST up reply actions  

These are what they are.

Predictions made after the end of the season, a lot can happen before kick-off in August.

I have a question about this season though: How does a team that didn’t play in it’s conference championship game get “rewarded” for that fact. No this isn’t about UM to the Sugar.

How does UM wind up at #9 in the coaches poll? They weren’t good enough to play in the their own conference Championship game. UW lost by a TD to #4. WE beat a good SEC team. UM had to get bailed by a bad booth review.

Do these voters even watch the games?

I’m proud of the great season we had but seriously, there is something wrong with this “system”.

by MSULaxer27 on Jan 10, 2012 8:14 AM CST reply actions  

I think it has something to do with Michigan losing fewer games than you guys.

The system is definitely screwed up though, VTech getting picked as an at large was mind boggling in the first place.

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by HawkeyedFrog on Jan 10, 2012 8:24 AM CST up reply actions  

Exactly

Rankings are generally based on records, and Michigan (despite an admittedly crappy schedule) has fewer losses. Most voters don’t know the ins and outs of every game, and I’m convinced that they could care less. They saw that each won a bowl game and have similar records and moved on. When putting together a Top 25, I can’t necessarily fault them (not that rankings really matter).

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by KennardHusker on Jan 10, 2012 8:56 AM CST up reply actions  

To Laxer:
How does UM wind up at #9 in the coaches poll? They weren’t good enough to play in the their own conference Championship game.

You can ask the same question about Arkansas: They beat one ranked team, the just as overrated South Carolina, finished w same record as Michigan but their two losses were by a combined 79-31 (granted, on the road to the two teams in the mNC, but still), yet they finished 5 (five!) in the Coaches poll.

My only explanation is the same explanation I have for Barry Larkin getting inducted to the baseball HOF yesterday – there was nobody else they could think of to vote for.

by MSUDersh on Jan 10, 2012 11:41 AM CST up reply actions  

Arkansas also beat number 8 Kansas State in a bowl game.

And if you don’t think Barry Larkin deserves to be in the HoF, you don’t know much about baseball.

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by U-God on Jan 10, 2012 11:44 AM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Eh, both Ark & KSU were overrated IMO

And Barry Larkin was a nice player, and is apparently a super nice guy, but HOF worthy? No way.

Between the veteran’s committee being shaken up & taken over by Ernie Banks to ensure that Santo got in, and the selection of Larkin, I think this is by far the weakest HOF class.

It’s the Hall of Fame, not Hall of Pretty Good but Also a Really Nice Guy. I honestly believe that Larkin got a jump of over 100 votes (went from 62% to about 87% this season) simply due to the fact that there was nobody else to vote for. Though personally, I would put Tim Raines, Craig Biggio, and Lee Smith in ahead of Larkin.

by MSUDersh on Jan 10, 2012 11:57 AM CST up reply actions  

So you like Biggio, despite the fact that it took him an extra 650+ games to be worth what Barry Larkin was?

Raines should be in without a doubt.

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by U-God on Jan 10, 2012 12:08 PM CST up reply actions  

Well I'm not a sabermetrics guy,

but you have a valid point. Biggio certainly benefited from longevity – it’s how he got to 3,000. But if I were into the advanced stats I think I would put both of them on the “no” list. I don’t think Biggio is yet eligible, though.

I think Larkin had a career very similar to Steve Garvey (also love the U-M/MSU connection), and I don’t think Garvey ever even got close.

They had same career BA & OPS, Larkin scored & ran a little more but Garvey hit a few more hrs & drove in a few more runs, basically same # of AS games & GGs. Both won a WS, and both had terrific postseason career stats.

Biggest difference is, 1B has traditionally been loaded with sluggers, especially NL, while SS not nearly as much. So the comparable numbers by position highly favor Larkin, but I don’t think that means he was a greater ballplayer.

by MSUDersh on Jan 10, 2012 12:20 PM CST up reply actions  

Yes, it totally does.

If you can be that good at offense while playing a much harder defensive position and play it well, you are by far the better player.

Garvey had an almost identical slugging percentage as Larkin (.446 to .444), but Larkin crushes him in OBP (.371 to .329). 290 more stolen bases is a bit more than “ran a little more”. He was also much better at stealing than Garvey was (career success rate of 83.1% against 57.2%).

Steve Garvey was by no means a shitty ballplayer, but mentioning him in the same rarefied air as Larkin is laughable.

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by U-God on Jan 10, 2012 12:30 PM CST up reply actions  

Garvey was an outstanding defensive player

And if it wasn’t for Keith Hernandez & his moustache coming in & winning a gold glove in 11 straight seasons in which he played at least 50% of his team’s games, I bet Garvey would have significantly more than four. And first base is very different from SS, but I don’t agree that it is significantly more difficult. You have more ground to cover at SS, but a great 1B has to be a vacuum.

Also, though Larkin ran more, Garvey clearly had much better power numbers and drove in significantly more runs (20 more per 162). Plus, though Larkins OPS is .815 to Garvey’s .775, they both had identical career OPS + (which is ops above league average, with some type of ballpark adjustment built in) of 116, which helps compare how they performed in different decades. WOW and I’m not a sabermetrics guy!

Again, I think Larkin was a nice player, and he has a ring, but I feel like he was voted in because the voters didn’t have anybody else to vote for.

by MSUDersh on Jan 10, 2012 12:47 PM CST up reply actions  

Gold gloves really don't mean anything

Barry Larkin was one of the revolutionary offensive-shortstop types (and he was an excellent defensive shortstop, at that). He easily deserves the Hall of Fame on his first year of eligibility.

Of course, there are lots of players who deserve the HoF on their first year who get shafted repeatedly. But, in this case, the BWAA got it right.

by cwel87 on Jan 10, 2012 1:27 PM CST up reply actions  

This is Larkin's 3rd year

But that’s a very minor point, also, we know that some of the writers are so political they won’t vote for ANY first year player.

I like how football does it – let living HOFers vote, too.

by MSUDersh on Jan 10, 2012 1:39 PM CST up reply actions  

I think we can put this to bed pretty easily

As a group MLB shortstops had an OPS of .749
As a group MLB first basemen had OPS of .859

So a 1B should hit about 14% better than a SS.
Put simply, as adequate defensive shortstop that hits .280 is about as valuable as an adequate 1B that hits .322. Assuming equal power numbers and all, which I admit is a huge assumption.

by IronMonkee on Jan 10, 2012 1:30 PM CST up reply actions  

But how do their numbers compare with overall HOF averages?

Outside of catchers, I don’t agree with making election decisions based on differentiating numbers per position. Defensive stats fine, but not offensive, that’s just my view on this. Just because someone was above average for his position, doesn’t make him a HOFer overall, does that make sense?

by MSUDersh on Jan 10, 2012 1:42 PM CST up reply actions  

You don't find that a bit silly?

If two hitters have equal numbers, the better player is the one playing the more challenging position. I’d take a .300/.375./.460 SS over that line at any position.

Middle infielders are always going to be held to a different hitting standard than players at the traditional power positions.

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by U-God on Jan 10, 2012 1:59 PM CST up reply actions  

I’d take a catcher doing that over a SS.

by IronMonkee on Jan 10, 2012 2:17 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah, I don't even think of catchers when I run down the defensive spectrum.

They’re in their own world, same with pitchers.

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by U-God on Jan 10, 2012 2:21 PM CST up reply actions  

I get what you're saying

But I think you’re wrong. It’s fair to compare guys to others at their position. Less so others at another position.
Sorry about the following text block…
Using 1B as an example:
Player OPS+
HOF
Lou Gehrig 178
Stan Musial 159
Future HOF
Big Hurt 156
Jim Thome 141
Not HOF
Kent Hrbek 128
Hernanzedz 128
Garvey 116

And SS
Ozzie Smith 87
Cal Ripken 112
Robin Yount 115
Larkin 116

Or a simpler way, make a metal list of first basemen who can rake, now do the same for SS.

by IronMonkee on Jan 10, 2012 2:01 PM CST up reply actions  

I guess I feel that it's like a smell test

When I hear a name, if I don’t have to go to the stats & get into in-depth analysis, that’s my test.

BTW, I’d include Hernandez on my personal list of, “good but not quite HOF worthy,” along with Garvey & Larkin.

As someone mentioned below, Jim Rice should be in that category, but is actually in. But I don’t think Rice’s career was any better than Don Mattingly’s, and he’ll never be in. Mattingly was a stud in the 80’s, just didn’t dominate for a long enough period of time.

by MSUDersh on Jan 10, 2012 2:57 PM CST up reply actions  

I can agree with Edgar.

Jack Morris shouldn’t even be sniffing the Hall.

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by U-God on Jan 10, 2012 1:32 PM CST up reply actions  

Agreed on Morris

He should have a nice little horororium or whatever it’s called for the ’91 WS game 7, but he is not plaque-worthy for his career.

by MSUDersh on Jan 10, 2012 1:36 PM CST up reply actions  

No on Edgar.

Playing in the field is a part of the game, and a career DH needs to have INCREDIBLE numbers to overcome not playing D.

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by Spartan D on Jan 10, 2012 1:41 PM CST up reply actions  

Yes on that

And still, my take on this whole thing is that it’s OK to not vote for anybody on a ballot – apparently, only 9 of the 530some voters returned an empty ballot.

When a player has a jump of over 100 votes like Larkin did, it says to me that voters chose him due to a lack of anybody else to pick.

by MSUDersh on Jan 10, 2012 1:43 PM CST up reply actions  

Totally agree.

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by Spartan D on Jan 10, 2012 1:53 PM CST up reply actions  

Actually I should have said,

“a lack of anybody they’re willing to pick,” obviously, Rafiel Palmiero & Mark McGwire had terrific numbers that otherwise would punch them a ticket to the HOF, but they are too cancerous for the writers to touch.

by MSUDersh on Jan 10, 2012 1:58 PM CST up reply actions  

Edgar's numbers were INCREDIBLE.

http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=1086&position=3B/DH

A nearly-70 WAR career (adjusted for the DH position, no less) is a straight-up Hall of Famer.

by cwel87 on Jan 10, 2012 2:32 PM CST up reply actions  

Name for me three players who handled the bat better than Edgar during his five-year peak

Then, with a straight face, tell me you believe he was on the juice, or had any connection with the juice.

Condemning everyone of an entire era is simply unfair and unjust to those who actually did play the game the right way.

by cwel87 on Jan 11, 2012 2:53 PM CST up reply actions  

Without looking up stats...

Edgar just doesn’t pass the initial eye test for me. And I don’t lump him in with any of the “alleged” roids guys by any means.
Not playing defense (even badly) really knocks a guy down the list in my estimation.

Of course, I think the DH is an affront against God and all that is good, so you can see where I’m coming from.

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by Spartan D on Jan 11, 2012 4:21 PM CST up reply actions   2 recs

Lots of people mention the 'eye test' thing when associating Edgar's name with the Hall

And I understand a lot is made of East Coast bias, but in this case…well, I think it’s fair to say if Edgar were a lifetime Yankee playing under the exact same circumstances, he’d have been a first-ballot Hall of Famer.

The Seattle Mariners just aren’t thrust into the limelight enough to pass any eye test for most casual fans (particularly those who are primarily followers of the NL). And that even includes Edgar’s surreal performance in the ‘95 ALDS against those very Yankees (yes, five games is almost nothing, but holy crap, when you bat .650 in a playoff series that was essentially for a franchise’s survival, it should be more noticed than it was).

by cwel87 on Jan 11, 2012 6:44 PM CST up reply actions   2 recs

Rec'd

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by jhitts08 on Jan 11, 2012 9:21 PM CST up reply actions  

Complete agreement.

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by U-God on Jan 10, 2012 2:39 PM CST up reply actions  

Hate to say it but . . .

I would favor Rice over Larkin. That by no means says I think either should be in, however.

by MSUDersh on Jan 10, 2012 2:51 PM CST up reply actions  

You stole this from Colin Cowherd
It’s the Hall of Fame, not Hall of Pretty Good

YOU MUST BE PUNISHED

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by HoyaGoon on Jan 10, 2012 1:50 PM CST up reply actions  

Arrghh

I’ve been hearing variations of that expression for years.

But please, if I ever do take something from quote listen to Cowherd, I do deserve the harshest of punishments.

by MSUDersh on Jan 10, 2012 1:57 PM CST up reply actions  

If anyone deserves to have things taken from him

without credit it’s Colin Cowherd.

Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.

by Kyle McCann't on Jan 13, 2012 10:06 AM CST up reply actions   2 recs

Agreed

but the sin here is using something that Colin Cowherd came up with

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by HoyaGoon on Jan 13, 2012 11:36 AM CST up reply actions  

Barry Larkin may have been the best shortstop of the 1990s

Fuck Derek Jeter, I’m serious. You don’t even need sabermetrics to see that.

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by jhitts08 on Jan 10, 2012 3:19 PM CST up reply actions  

ummmmm....no.

And I am not a jeter or yankee fan. Also gotta throw ARod in that mix

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by Spartan D on Jan 10, 2012 3:21 PM CST up reply actions  

Jeter only played half the decade.

Same with A-Rod.

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by U-God on Jan 10, 2012 3:27 PM CST up reply actions  

If you're looking at stats solely from the 90's, Larkin crushes all of them.

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by U-God on Jan 10, 2012 3:31 PM CST up reply actions  

Jeter = not a good defensive player

Larkin = awesome defensive player

That evens it out, in my view.

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by jhitts08 on Jan 10, 2012 3:31 PM CST up reply actions  

Omar Vizquel?

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by Pariahwulfen on Jan 10, 2012 3:24 PM CST up reply actions  

Not even close.

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by U-God on Jan 10, 2012 3:29 PM CST up reply actions  

Sigh...

Gold gloves are bullshit.

Nick Markakis one one this year.

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by jhitts08 on Jan 10, 2012 3:32 PM CST up reply actions  

Omar had two seasons in his career where his bat was above league average.

Larkin had only five below average. Both were great defensively. Larkin could hit. Vizquel couldn’t.

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by U-God on Jan 10, 2012 3:35 PM CST up reply actions  

Vizquel was sweet though

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by jhitts08 on Jan 10, 2012 3:36 PM CST up reply actions  

Care to make the argument that Jeets was the best defensive shortstop of 2010?
I’ll hear no more about Gold Gloves…

by IronMonkee on Jan 10, 2012 3:57 PM CST up reply actions  

Maybe

I’d probabaly agree with that, but not happily. He really isn’t as good a defender as people make him out to be, though. He had like one awesome defensive season and the rest have been very sub par.

That said… he is (er, was) an awesome hitter, so he’s got to be considered.

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by jhitts08 on Jan 10, 2012 4:59 PM CST up reply actions  

For a gold glove? The fact that Jeter won one is a reason to suspect it. The fact that he’s won multiples is a reason to ignore the award altogether.

by IronMonkee on Jan 10, 2012 6:43 PM CST up reply actions  

Oh

I thought you were defending his fielding/Gold Gloves. I think we agree.

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by jhitts08 on Jan 10, 2012 11:09 PM CST up reply actions  

One season is too small a sample size for defensive statistics to properly examine

They suck, so they need a huuuuge sample size to be moderately accurate. Jeter’s one great season was such an outlier than it stands to reason that the defensive metrics simply evaluated his play improperly.

Based off of what I see with the naked eye, he’s always sucked at shortstop. That didn’t change in 2004, or 2010, or any time before, in between, or after.

by cwel87 on Jan 11, 2012 2:57 PM CST up reply actions  

He had like three sweet plays that everyone remembers

Which is why everyone considers him awesome. I think.

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by jhitts08 on Jan 11, 2012 9:17 PM CST up reply actions  

Defensively absolutely the best. Dude was a magician.

Offensively, he was barely adequate. His D could be used to make a case for the hall tho.

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by Spartan D on Jan 10, 2012 3:49 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Omar's defense could be used to get one of his gloves in some sort of defensive wizard display

But he has no place in being remembered as one of the all-time best players. He was a solid starter for a few very good teams – more than I’ll ever be, for sure, but not much considering what the Hall of Fame’s credentials should entail.

by cwel87 on Jan 11, 2012 6:47 PM CST up reply actions  

No. They clearly don't watch the games.

They have a grad assistant check the scores and fill out their polls.

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by Spartan D on Jan 10, 2012 9:01 AM CST up reply actions  

This sounds right for Nebraska

I don’t like Nebraska’s schedule next year. Nebraska has a fairly easy preseason with the most difficult game coming first (Southern Miss), but will have some pillowy soft goodness in UCLA, Arkansas State, and the FCS Buy-an-opponent week 4 sacrifice. The rest of the schedule gets ugly imo with away games @tOSU, MSU, NW, and Iowa. Getting Bucky and Michigan at home is great, but I think that MSU and tOSU will be the tougher opponents anyways. I see Nebraska losing for sure to Sparty and the Buckeyes and probably will drop something mind-boggling (this year’s NW loss? I’m picking Minnesota in Lincoln). 9-3 and another date with a ‘better’ SEC school. Awesome…

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by KennardHusker on Jan 10, 2012 9:00 AM CST reply actions  

Oh good, we can complain about mediocrity and Bo Pelini not getting us to the next level for another off-season.

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I think 9 wins is a good neutral pick. Painful, but until this team shows some maturity and Nebraska gets a handle on playing through the rather physical Big Ten, I can’t see picking up that 10th win.
In a three loss scenario, here’s how I see it: I think we split Sparty and Buckeyes (I lean towards beating MSU and losing to Urban Meyer), a loss against Michigan (so those who are still on the fence about not liking Michigan can finally join the rest of us; also Greg Mattison is a heck of a coach), and I think we maybe drop the third to either Iowa or Northwestern.

My optimistic view is that we lose to OSU and Michigan, and miss out on the B1G game due to the tiebreaker against Michigan but get rewarded with an at-large bid to the Rose Bowl, since Michigan heads to the BCS game and Ohio State has to sit at home (kind of like we were thinking we might do this season until our team decided to show its brash and youthful side). Nebraska gets to 11-2 on the season, and people shut up about Bo Pelini’s coaching ability and spend the off-season fantasizing about a run at the last AQ-stimulated mythical national championship. There’s just not enough cupcake in our schedule for me to see us challenging for an NC this coming season.

I think either Alabama or Southern California facing Michigan in the mythical championship game, with Michigan winning by a touchdown or more.

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by Salt Creek and Stadium on Jan 10, 2012 1:53 PM CST up reply actions  

Question

Isn’t Pelini Italian for “four losses?”

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by Bama Hawkeye on Jan 10, 2012 2:13 PM CST up reply actions   2 recs

BUT WE'RE NEBRASKA, WE DON'T SETTLE FOR NO MEDIOCRITY

For real, this offseason has already sucked. If I read one more local guy comment on how Nebraska is terrible and Pelini is the worst coach ever and how Nebraska should be competing with the SEC blah blah blah, I’m going to go crazy. Most fans are still sane, and most fans think that we’re going to get better. I know I was too optimistic in believing that Nebraska scheming 11 new teams would be easy. All things considered, Nebraska fared best of the major realignment teams.

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by KennardHusker on Jan 10, 2012 2:25 PM CST up reply actions  

Unfortunately

the birthertruther wing of most fanbases are the loudest, which means they get their way more often than not. And not to rub it in, but that was never more apparent when that winf of the Nebby fanbase got Frank Solich fired for—gasp—making it to the National Championship game.

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by Ted Glover on Jan 10, 2012 2:44 PM CST up reply actions  

*wing

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by Ted Glover on Jan 10, 2012 2:52 PM CST up reply actions  

Great point

They prevailed in AA, too, but did it quickly enough that RR was run out of town before his team started winning.

by MSUDersh on Jan 10, 2012 2:58 PM CST up reply actions  

Do you honestly think Rich Rod would have started winning in Ann Arbor? Robinson still disappeared against the better defenses Michigan played, and the defense stepped up big. Would the defense have played as well if Rodriguez was still there?

by Lostincali on Jan 11, 2012 1:25 PM CST up reply actions  

Sorry

that was a too-subtle jab at RR’s comments – at the press counference announcing his hiring at Arizona, no less – that he would have won ten games this season but for being run out of town by certain elements in the U-M community.

But honestly, if he didn’t insist on that garbage 3-3-5, and actually recruited players with size and not just speed on D, with Denard & some luck he probably could have won 10. Oh also if he bothered recruiting and/or coaching special teams at all, too.

by MSUDersh on Jan 11, 2012 4:45 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah, I’m not always the best at picking up sarcasm on the net.. sorry.. but i do agree with your assessment.

by Lostincali on Jan 15, 2012 8:49 PM CST up reply actions  

I think Rodriguez may have had a chance at 10 wins this season

The Wolverines’ schedule was really, really soft.

That being said, Hoke’s the proper man for the Michigan job in a way Rodriguez simply never was.

by cwel87 on Jan 11, 2012 6:49 PM CST up reply actions  

I get the whole 8 home games, but to say Michigan’s schedule is really soft, means States was softer. Michigan had better non conference games and still beat two teams that beat State. I know they were both at home for Michigan, but it still counts for something. and NO, I am not arguing Michigan was a better team than State, clearly that question was answered in East Lansing.
And don’t give me the garbage no Wiscy or Penn State argument. Using the transitive argument Sparty used last year to put State above tOSU, Michigan beat the only other team to beat Wisconsin in conference this year, and Penn State wasn’t really that great .

by Lostincali on Jan 15, 2012 8:55 PM CST up reply actions  

I never liked those birthertruthers anyways. Damn hippies

Solich lost his fight back in 1999 when he lost his easiest path to a MNC by losing to Texas. If he wins that game (a 24-20 loss @Texas that was all that stood between him and a Sears trophy…) he has the inside track to being a legendary coach and can do whatever he wants for as long as he wants. Instead, he backs into the 2001 MNC game and gets blasted by one of the best college teams ever. Good times.

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by KennardHusker on Jan 10, 2012 3:15 PM CST up reply actions  

Don't remind me.

I’m sure there is a contingent of our wealthy fans already firing up the “FIRE EVERYONE” bandwagon and peeing in the AD donor pool.

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by Salt Creek and Stadium on Jan 10, 2012 4:42 PM CST up reply actions  

Nebraska becomes the football version of Purdue basketball fans?

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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Jan 13, 2012 9:31 AM CST up reply actions  

Winter is very long, okay!

Play for the love of the game. A Cornhusker through feast or famine. That's the Nebraska way.

by Salt Creek and Stadium on Jan 15, 2012 12:45 PM CST up reply actions  

What exactly is mid level about next years team?

Outside of the OL and potentially/Probably the QB’s?

Also, U$C will win the NC. Unfortunately, but theyshould, even with Lane as the HC

If Penn State fans and alumni truly believe that chant that echoes throughout Beaver Stadium ("We are....") then it's time to show it.

by ICEICETHATGUY13 on Jan 10, 2012 10:11 AM CST via mobile reply actions  

I'll just leave this here

In the name of the Woody, the Bo, and the Mustache Ride. Amen.

by Pariahwulfen on Jan 10, 2012 11:03 AM CST up reply actions  

Holy Epileptic Seizure Batman!

You win with people (not named Joe Bauserman)

by BuckeyeSki on Jan 10, 2012 11:07 AM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Man, I have not seen a derp gif in ages

If Penn State fans and alumni truly believe that chant that echoes throughout Beaver Stadium ("We are....") then it's time to show it.

by ICEICETHATGUY13 on Jan 10, 2012 3:45 PM CST up reply actions  

Really?

Other than QB and OL? How about WR and DB? That only leaves the front 7, RB and TE. That sounds mid-level to me.

by br27 on Jan 10, 2012 11:10 PM CST up reply actions  

WR is the teams best strengths

We just recruited one of the NFL’s best WR coaches to come coach the WR’s here too. The WR’s were open, we just didn’t have anyone to get them the ball. Now we should, what with a real QB’s coach and actual offensive schemes.

Even with losing 4 senior starters, the secondary still returns 25 starts DB has freshman all B1G starter in Amos, who played really well last year. Step Morris has around a season and a halfs starts, and even more PT than that. Kids not a great tackler, but good in coverage. Malcolm Willis will man a safety spot. He was terrible in the bowl game, and great in every other game. Then there’s the hero. Yeah, that’ll probably be a, well, guess I’ll call it a learning experience.

If Penn State fans and alumni truly believe that chant that echoes throughout Beaver Stadium ("We are....") then it's time to show it.

by ICEICETHATGUY13 on Jan 11, 2012 8:12 PM CST up reply actions  

Well, scratch that, part of PSU's problems were drops

4 dropped TD catches, only one of which were tough grabs, vs Houston would be one example. Which is another reason why Steve Hixon gives the fan base hope

If Penn State fans and alumni truly believe that chant that echoes throughout Beaver Stadium ("We are....") then it's time to show it.

by ICEICETHATGUY13 on Jan 11, 2012 8:27 PM CST up reply actions  

Ah, Bama Hawk...

I love that you stick your neck on the line to do these. That said, there is no stronger invitation for butthurt known to man. My two cents…

- We’re all (except MSU fans) happy that you finally got a BCS prediction for Michigan right this year. However, as the saying goes, even I blind squirrel finds a nut every now and then. Your pre-season Michigan predictions failed spectacularly for much of the RichRod era. Now you’re doubling down with a BCS Championship prediction? Really? Wow. I see at least two losses.
- Illinois is not an 8-4 team. They just aren’t. Even if they were, they would get skipped in the pecking order by a 7-5 Penn State squad. Their fan base just doesn’t travel… even to Champaign.
- Fixed.

Minnesota? Yes No, Minnesota.
Seriously, all this love for Minnesota, but based on what… a victory over Iowa and a demoralized Illinois team? I like coach Kill, but there’s still a big gap between that program and where they need to get to be .500.
- Northwestern is not going to the Rotel bowl. They still play Minnesota, Indiana, and Illinois in the B1G and Syracuse, Vanderbilt, Boston College, and South Dakota in non-con. Only two of those squads went 6-6 this past year, and Vanderbilt’s record was boosted by some pretty weak competition. There’s at least six wins in there, and Northwestern always surprises someone in the B1G – usually from corn country.

Other than that, seems reasonable. Sigh… such a long wait until September…

by GTom on Jan 10, 2012 10:16 AM CST reply actions  

RichRod's last year

I said Michigan would win 8 games. They won 7. I missed.
Last year I said Michigan would win 10 games and go to a BCS bowl. They did.

Good point about Penn State over Illinois. Depending on the state of the program/support for the new coach, that could happen. If people are unhappy about 7-5 and grumbling, it might not.

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by Bama Hawkeye on Jan 10, 2012 10:20 AM CST up reply actions  

You're right

I should have tempered my comments on Michigan picks. Still, BCS title is not happening. Thanks for writing these – I look forward to the picks each week during the season.

by GTom on Jan 10, 2012 10:34 AM CST up reply actions  

I feel like Bama can do whatever he wants after he persistently picked UM for the BCS

Especially because I picked UM to go…6-6. So yeah.

How’s Michigan’s schedule looking for next year? doable?

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by Graham Filler on Jan 10, 2012 12:24 PM CST up reply actions  

It starts with Alabama

What do you think?

So now Minnesota has rivalry trophies with a school riddled with meth and athlete-run drug houses, a campus that keeps Alcoholics Anonymous and Layne Bryant stores in operation, "that which will not be discussed" at Penn State and now Michigan is kissing it’s little brother. Great.
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by SpartyFever on Jan 10, 2012 12:31 PM CST up reply actions  

Also

At Notre Dame, at Nebraska, and at Columbus. I would bet that one of those is going to be a loss.

by GTom on Jan 10, 2012 12:47 PM CST up reply actions  

Not a favorable schedule for M

but the tone will be set in JerryWorld in that first game.

If M can win, that’s obviously huge, but if they can even hang in there & keep it competitive, that could go a long way, too.

I think their biggest detriment will be losing Molk the center. He apparently had a great rapport with Denard, and was very mobile & was a terrific downfield blocker, which is important on those runs. I don’t know who is coming in, but the presumed drop-off in quality at C could hurt M tremendously.

by MSUDersh on Jan 10, 2012 12:50 PM CST up reply actions  

Didn't PSU 'hang in there & keep it competitive' against Alabama?

TIcketcity bowl says otherwise

So now Minnesota has rivalry trophies with a school riddled with meth and athlete-run drug houses, a campus that keeps Alcoholics Anonymous and Layne Bryant stores in operation, "that which will not be discussed" at Penn State and now Michigan is kissing it’s little brother. Great.
-Marshmoose

by SpartyFever on Jan 10, 2012 1:38 PM CST up reply actions  

haha well so does 9-3 overall

plus the biggest non-sports related sports scandal of probably this millenium, which seems likely to have scared off a few bowls.

by MSUDersh on Jan 10, 2012 1:45 PM CST up reply actions  

People will be ambivalent if we go 7-5

Some people think that’ll be our record, most think more than that, some will be bitchin’ if we go 7-5 (I will), some will be okay

If Penn State fans and alumni truly believe that chant that echoes throughout Beaver Stadium ("We are....") then it's time to show it.

by ICEICETHATGUY13 on Jan 10, 2012 3:47 PM CST up reply actions  

Ditto

I have drastically lowered my expectations for the next 3 years.

Consider this my official declaration of non-support of child molestation.

by 06Lion on Jan 12, 2012 11:48 AM CST up reply actions  

Just out of curiousity

Now that the BOB hire and staff assembly is complete, what do most PSU fans think? I know the initial reaction was negative, but he seems to be warming up to most folks. Where do you see PSU finishing in the next couple of years?

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by Ted Glover on Jan 12, 2012 1:49 PM CST up reply actions  

disappointed in the hiring of Roof

the rest of the staff looks pretty good.

I can’t really gauge my overall expectations until AT LEAST the blue white game…and even then, probably not until the kickoff against Ohio.

Fire Dan Snyder

by Cari Greene on Jan 12, 2012 2:08 PM CST up reply actions  

For the "Michigan Men" out there,

This probably needs to be spelled out.

NotCarlotta is referring to the Bobcats, not the Buckeyes.

Sorry for the thread jack. Carry on PSU folk.

by NC_Buckeye on Jan 12, 2012 4:14 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Rather highly, considering that recruiting is really picking up will BOB

All the staff seems really good, sans roof.

If Penn State fans and alumni truly believe that chant that echoes throughout Beaver Stadium ("We are....") then it's time to show it.

by ICEICETHATGUY13 on Jan 12, 2012 3:55 PM CST up reply actions  

Minnesota

Only needs to nut punch 1 team to get to .500
I think the 4 non-con games are all pretty winnable. and Iowa is of course all but in the bag. That’s right, 5-0 Gophers baby. Win 1 of NU and Purdue at home or Illinois on the road, and we’re good to go.

Woo!

by IronMonkee on Jan 10, 2012 2:14 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

I'm pulling for you

I really am.

But I still don’t see it. Personally, I see one or two losses for Minnesota amongst Western Michigan, Syracuse, and New Hampshire (they’re actually an FCS powerhouse) – with Western being the most likely loss. I derive no pleasure in saying so, but I just don’t know where the improvement will come from for Minnesota to show significant progress relative to last year, and while the wins against Iowa and Illinois were nice (and generally a competitive game against MSU), it just didn’t feel like Minnesota was ending the year at a six-win level. If you’ve got specific reasons to be hopeful that you can point to, please elaborate – I’m legitimately curious.

by GTom on Jan 10, 2012 3:10 PM CST up reply actions  

Some of that is self aware homerism

That said, I can see a loss to Western, but not to Syracuse or UNH.
Biggest reason for confidence I see is simply not having the team learn on the job.
You could tell pretty clearly that something clicked for them during the middle of the season, where they stopped thinking about what they were supposed to do and just did it. Having the players know what they’re supposed to do all year will be great.
Honestly I can see 8 possible wins. I expect 5-7
I think 3-0 vs Syracuse, UNLV and UNH
and 2 wins against WMU, NU, Illinois, Iowa, Purdue
Losses to UN-L, Mich, MSU, Becky

by IronMonkee on Jan 10, 2012 4:33 PM CST up reply actions  

Western Michigan, and Syracuse are both very losable games for the Gophers

Remember, Minnesota has serious problems on Defense. Kill is depending on JUCO players to step in and become immediate starters at key positions. That is ALWAYS a crapshoot.

If the Gophers are gonna go bowling next year, it’s gonna be because MarQueis Gray was healthy and consistent all year. If he can play the whole season the way he played against Sparty, Iowa, and Illinois, the Gophers might be able to make a bowl game.

Otherwise, they won’t.

by AhliBobwa on Jan 11, 2012 10:24 AM CST up reply actions  

By counting Iowa as "in the bag", you just jinxed us.

No one, and I mean NO ONE, gave the Gophers a chance to beat Iowa the last two years.

Plus, next year’s game for Floyd is in Kinnick, where James Vanderberg is usually competent, assuming he is still Iowa’s starter.

by Midnight Rambler on Jan 11, 2012 8:25 AM CST up reply actions  

After the Army game

and the 5-game losing skid PLUS losing a ton of multi-year starters, do you really want to be so blindly optimistic about this?

They still play Minnesota, Indiana, and Illinois in the B1G and Syracuse, Vanderbilt, Boston College, and South Dakota in non-con. Only two of those squads went 6-6 this past year, and Vanderbilt’s record was boosted by some pretty weak competition. There’s at least six wins in there, and Northwestern always surprises someone in the B1G – usually from corn country.

jNW getting to six wins requires winning ALL of those games against inferior opposition, something you’ve failed to do every season (including 2008 when you lost to Indiana) or losing only one and getting the yearly upset jNW is so good at (and I fully expect to happen). But that is just barely getting to .500 and a bowl, like this year. All that Bama’s prediction requires is that jNW’s inexplicable luck against Iowa and/or Nebby runs out and that they don’t win all six of the other games you list. Certainly not much of a stretch.

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by HoyaGoon on Jan 10, 2012 2:49 PM CST up reply actions  

Actually, there's seven games there...

I’m already assuming one inexplicable loss.

by GTom on Jan 10, 2012 2:52 PM CST up reply actions  

It remains to be seen whether James Franklin can continue to keep Vandy somewhat successful...

If he pulls out another 6-6/7-5 campaign, he’s going to get picked up the same way Mike Riley was picked up for getting a winning season at Oregon State. FAST.

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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Jan 13, 2012 9:32 AM CST up reply actions  

Minor squibble

But the Gator Bowl picks before the Insight Bowl this year. They swap places every year in the picking order. So, Iowa could very well go to the Gator Bowl before the Insight gets to pick (and pass over Iowa so they won’t go there 3 years in a row).

by Captain n Diet Coker on Jan 10, 2012 11:36 AM CST reply actions  

Noted, but...

read the rules section. I do believe that we’ll see the Insight picking ahead of the Gator this and next year.

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by Bama Hawkeye on Jan 10, 2012 1:00 PM CST up reply actions  

Ahh, yes

I was so used to reading those rules that I didn’t even bother reading them this time.

by Captain n Diet Coker on Jan 10, 2012 3:06 PM CST up reply actions  

I don't think this will change anyone's perception of last years Spartan team and the Cap One Bowl...

but after last night’s shellacking, can you now understand how dangerous Nick Saban is with talent and six weeks to heal and prepare?

by MSULaxer27 on Jan 10, 2012 1:35 PM CST reply actions  

Great point,

LSU couldn’t move the ball for shit, they put up a total of 9 points on ‘Bama in 8 quarters + OT. And this is a team that averaged over 40 ppg in it’s other 11 wins.

by MSUDersh on Jan 10, 2012 1:49 PM CST up reply actions  

LSU ran 4 offensive plays in Bama's territroy

Only MSU’s defensive work against FAU was more dominant this season (3 offensive plays in MSU territory)

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by Seer on Jan 11, 2012 6:08 PM CST up reply actions  

FAU's offense against MSU was miles better than whatever the hell LSU threw at Bama

and the Owls finished 120th in total offense…

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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Jan 13, 2012 9:34 AM CST up reply actions  

Agree on Purdue

Purdue could definitely make the conference championship. I think they have a couple of games they shouldn’t win like against Michigan and Ohio State, but other than those they definitely have the potential to sweep the other teams in the division. If they do that, I think they make the conference championship game.

As for Michigan I’m happy with the pick, but I can’t logically say that I think they’re going undefeated. Win the Legends division? Yes, very possible. They need to beat MSU at home and not drop both road games at Nebraska and Ohio State, which I think is very reasonable. But for the national title, you’re still talking about an opener against Alabama and a road game against a Notre Dame team that has recruited very well lately and will definitely have some talent. Basically, every major quality opponent Michigan plays next year (preseason bullishness says these will be MSU, tOSU, ND, Bama, Neb) will be on the road or at a neutral site except MSU. That’s a tall order.

by lonewolf371 on Jan 10, 2012 6:33 PM CST reply actions  

I feel like I'm taking crazy pills!

I’m a huge UM fan, but there is no way that UM is in the BCS championship game this year.

Did you watch the Sugar Bowl? UM is a nice story, but it has a loooooooong way to go before it can compete with the upper echelon of the SEC, PAC, and Big 12.

Oregon would have scored 50+ on UM’s defense this year.

Possible/likely losses next year: Alabama, Notre Dame on the road, MSU (AGAIN!), Nebraska on the road, and OSU on the road.

I think I will be in Orlando next year for the Cap One bowl.

by PCS on Jan 10, 2012 9:22 PM CST reply actions   2 recs

IF...

UM can go 2-3 in those 5 games, I think that’ll be a success story considering the schedule. That should, given an uneventful run through the rest of the schedule, should give a 9-3 record, and yes…most likely the Capital One Bowl.

by GoWings2008 on Jan 11, 2012 8:12 AM CST up reply actions  

UM is not going 12-0 with Denard.

the guy is a gr8 RB, but a bad passer. He lobs balls of his back feet hoping someone will catch it. Yes someone will catch it in the Big Ten and against Alabama. Brady Hoke’s offense is a pro style and he needs a pocket passer. He is Lloyd Carr guy and he will get rid of the option pretty soon. Look at Saban in SEC, still pursues the BIG ten type of play. Good D, no option crap.

by spartynation on Jan 11, 2012 11:38 AM CST up reply actions  

I think

we’re in violent agreement.

by GoWings2008 on Jan 11, 2012 12:04 PM CST up reply actions  

Having said that I like Brady Hoke even though I dislike UM.

seems like a nice guy who understands the Midwest culture and the importance of rivalries unlike RR and JLSmith, who ate best were disconnected. It should be a fun battle in the state of Michigan for some years to come. Dantonio has made it a point to beat UM as the number one priority.Should be one heck of a game in October.

by spartynation on Jan 11, 2012 12:39 PM CST up reply actions  

Hoke is a likable guy

And I feel the same about Cousins…even though I’ll make fun of him from time to time. He gave my nephew, the poor misguided soul, an autograph after he said to him, “Mr Cousins, you’re my most favorite football player ever.” (He’s 8 yrs old) I wish him the best in his pro career.

But yeah, Hoke is definitely connected to the rivalries, as evidenced in the two countdown clocks in the UM locker room. I think the recruiting battle will also be epic, with the addition of Meyer to the mix as well.

by GoWings2008 on Jan 11, 2012 12:49 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm not a UM fan, but these things bother me about him

1) The fact that he doesn’t call plays or wear a headset during the game. What does he actually do?
2) Referring to tOSU as “Ohio”.
3) His voice. Yes I’m being a dick, but it’s clown-like.

by Arro on Jan 12, 2012 3:48 PM CST up reply actions  

Well....

Referring to:
1) I’m sure he does a lot. He is a defensive guy at heart, so Mattison is on the sidelines calling defensive plays. Borges is in the press box calling offense. The final decisions are his. But I’m curious…if you’re not a Michigan fan, I’m thinking that the number of times you’ve seen Hoke in action this year could be as high as one? Did you watch him the whole game? Do you have a stat for us that sums up how much time he really was or wasn’t on headset? Fact is, we don’t really know. He is on headset a lot less than other coaches, admittedly, but it seems to be working for him.
2) That bothers you? Mission accomplished.
3) Got anything a little LESS subjective? /sarcasm intended.

by GoWings2008 on Jan 13, 2012 1:20 PM CST up reply actions  

MSU fan?

1) What’s the point of hiring coordinators if you call their plays? The most important thing in football is execution, and Hoke constantly monitors the mental status of his team and will step into action during the big moments.
2) Lol
3) Okay then.

by lonewolf371 on Jan 14, 2012 6:03 AM CST up reply actions  

Did someone say Taylor Martinez?

Cause Denard is a way better passer than Martinez.

by AhliBobwa on Jan 11, 2012 5:03 PM CST up reply actions  

That's really not saying much.

I’m a better passer than both of them. (semi-serious comment is semi-serious)

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by Spartan D on Jan 12, 2012 8:34 AM CST up reply actions  

FTFY.

Cause Denard is a way better much less terrible passer than Martinez.

by CPT Hoolie on Jan 12, 2012 1:04 PM CST up reply actions  

That's kind of like saying

Lindsay Lohan is a much better skank than Kim Kardsahian, isn’t it?

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by Ted Glover on Jan 12, 2012 1:50 PM CST up reply actions  

Great, now Martinez is going to transfer again.

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by Salt Creek and Stadium on Jan 15, 2012 12:47 PM CST up reply actions  

Iowa will go 7-5.

Iowa State isn’t “marshmallow soft” anymore.

Just ask Oklahoma State.

by Midnight Rambler on Jan 11, 2012 8:28 AM CST reply actions  

In Iowa City?

Iowa State is Marshmallow soft.

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by Bama Hawkeye on Jan 11, 2012 9:27 AM CST up reply actions  

UM in the NC?

AH hahahahahahaha!

Whew. That was seriously an unexpected gut cracker. This thread may replace linking to “Never Gonna Give You Up” for me.

by RoninX on Jan 11, 2012 11:47 AM CST reply actions  

I'm not seeing UM run the table

They had a much better year than expected this year and I know they return all of the key pieces, but frankly, they were extremely fortunate to finish 11-2. The win at home vs Notre Dame was a flat out miracle. The Ohio State game was anybody’s game the whole way. An oft-ridiculed VT team dominated them for 60 minutes, but gave the game away on a series of mistakes.

None of this is to ridicule Michigan. I think they’re the frontrunners to win the league next year, but the games I saw of them pointed to a vastly improved team that was still nowhere near the top of college football. The ball bounced the right way for them a few times, they missed the toughest teams from the other division, and they had the right teams at home. I think they’ll be improved as a team next year, but they’ll likely end up with a similar record.

Alabama (neutral)
@ Notre Dame
vs MSU
@ Nebraska
@Ohio State

If they go 5-0 against those teams, I’ll eat my hat. Keep in mind, they didn’t play Alabama last year, 3 of the other 4 games they had at home, 2 of which they won narrowly and one of which (Nebraska) showcased the opponent having a Murphy’s law day that didn’t give a good feel for the relative talent of the teams. Their lone road game involved them getting fairly well stomped by Sparty. Next year will be much tougher.

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by jdhusker on Jan 11, 2012 1:09 PM CST reply actions  

You know what would make great front page reading?

A comparison of 2010-11 MSU and 2011-12 UM. Which team makes a better claim to being the worst 11-2 team ever?

Don’t forget the sarcasm font.

by njd on Jan 11, 2012 9:37 PM CST reply actions  

Assuming you mean worst major conference team...

Its hard to objectively argue which team was “worse” but 2011 UM was definitely luckier to get there (Little Giants notwithstanding).

by RoninX on Jan 12, 2012 2:33 PM CST up reply actions  

Michigan State: the worst team ever to go 22-5 over two seasons!

Note that this will probably be 30+ wins after next year, and note that it will still be referred to as luck.

On a fun side note, no coach has defied the recruiting press quite like Mark Dantonio. Le’Veon Bell was a two-star running back; Jerel Worthy a three-star defensive tackle; Kirk Cousins barely a three-star QB, B.J. Cunningham barely a three-star wide receiver. Greg Jones was only three stars, and Joel Foreman was two! A two-star offensive lineman! He started ALL FOUR YEARS! And this is just scratching the surface of the silliness.

So, pardon me if I barely even take recruiting site’s opinions with a grain of salt.

by cwel87 on Jan 13, 2012 9:30 AM CST up reply actions  

You should prolly amend that to "no coach in the B1G has defied the recruiting press quite like Mark Dantonio".

There is a man named Bill Snyder who somehow turns walk-ons and JUCO transfers into 10 win seasons.

"Many people need desperately to receive this message: 'I feel and think much as you do, care about many of the things you care about, although most people do not care about them. You are not alone.'"

by U-God on Jan 13, 2012 9:55 AM CST up reply actions  

This is very true

I stand corrected. Bill Snyder’s had the market cornered on this business for decades; Dantonio’s just a solid representative of that cloth from the B1G.

by cwel87 on Jan 13, 2012 12:38 PM CST up reply actions  

Change the subject.

CHANG the subject!

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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Jan 13, 2012 11:07 AM CST up reply actions  

So who is Chang and why are we trying to change the subject to him/her?

In the name of the Woody, the Bo, and the Mustache Ride. Amen.

by Pariahwulfen on Jan 13, 2012 11:55 AM CST up reply actions   1 recs

It's gotta be Michael Chang

Or Chang Kai Shek. And if you were a Wisconsin fan and your coach was a douche who couldn’t win the Rose Bowl, wouldn’t you try to change the subject?

"Go hard. I mean, like relentless. I want a bunch of coaches that coach like their hair’s on fire, and I want a football team that goes for four to six seconds (per play) with relentless effort." OSU Coach Urban Meyer.

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by Ted Glover on Jan 13, 2012 1:18 PM CST up reply actions   2 recs

Rec'd

Nice.

Reminds me of the Wayne’s World line….

“I believe it was Kierkegaard, or maybe Dick Van Patten, who said…if you label me, you negate me.”

by GoWings2008 on Jan 13, 2012 1:23 PM CST up reply actions  

Thanks, ass.

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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Jan 13, 2012 1:24 PM CST up reply actions  

Chang is a Spanish Genius!

His knowledge will BITE YOUR FACE OFF.

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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Jan 13, 2012 1:18 PM CST up reply actions  

Let's neglect

5* DE William Gholston
4* S Isaiah Louis
4* LB Max Bullough
4* LB Chris Norman

Why do you think your defense is returning so many starters next season? Part of it is a bunch of young 5* and 4* players as freshmen and sophomores beat out all the 2* players you had in place before.

by lonewolf371 on Jan 14, 2012 6:11 AM CST up reply actions  

I didn't 'neglect' to mention anything

The post is not about the William Gholstons, the Isaiah Lewises, the Max Bulloughs – it’s about giving Dantonio’s staff their due for seeing talent in players who are undervalued by their peers and getting the most out of them, you Michigan jackass.

by cwel87 on Jan 14, 2012 9:09 AM CST up reply actions  

Michigan in the National Championship?

Are you high? Not even my brother would make that prediction, and in his eyes Michigan is the greatest anything in the history of everything.

by stevedarsh on Jan 13, 2012 2:02 PM CST reply actions  

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