State of the B1G 2012: National Competitiveness Part II - The Fans in the Stands
Okay, so we established the fact that there are some shortcomings in the on-the-field results to this point in part one. Basically, the B1G is around 3rd place, and while many have pointed out the reality of competing up, there is still work to be done. Let's be honest, none of that is really news, and I think most of us are okay with not being the SEC so long as we have fans in the stand and do things the right way. That's really the foundation of this part of my look at the B1G's competitiveness right now.
One of the things we are proud of in the B1G are our stadiums and history. You have the Shoe, the Big House, White Outs at Beaver Stadium, Jump Around at Camp Randall, Card Tricks at Kinnick, the Sea of Red in Memorial, and many many more intense environments. The Conference seems to love that Nebraska was added because it put eyes on screens despite Nebraska itself being a tiny little state, and almost all of us love that the Big Ten Network is the envy of our peers. If you were to ask a Big Ten fan, and probably most everyone who reads OTE would agree, our conference is competitive not only because we put the right brand of football on the field, but we will follow it through thick and thin and cheer it on the way only B1G fans can. Of course, that's never the whole story.
What do the raw numbers say? After all, isn't that what this entire series is about? Where does the conference stand and what does it all mean? I look to answer these questions NEXT!
via lincoln.org
Attendance
Attendance has always been a source of pride for the conference, but in what is becoming a little too predictable, we come in second in that category... In average attendance, the B1G had 70,491 fans come through the gates each game more than 5,000 less than the SEC. It is worth noting that The B1G has 3 schools that average over 100k fans, 7 over 70k, and the lowest attendance was Northwestern who still averaged more than Vanderbilt. Numbers were as follows:
(Note: Information via Sports Business Daily)
There is not a lot more to say about that except that we should all stop and take a moment of silence for our friend the Big East who is in the hospital with mortal wounds to their ego, pride, and all around ability to be a real conference. The brain damage has been so severe that they now believe Idaho to be in the 'East'... It's a sad situation. (But seriously, they really shouldn't be a major conference)
TV Screens
Look, let's just put our cards on the table. The Big Ten Network is the best TV situation across all of NCAA Div I-A football. As of right now, the revenue generated plus the amount of homes that can tune into any B1G game is the gold standard for all of the copycats. With that said, it's hard to quantify how much that really matters nationally outside of just talking it up and explaining that it's a wonderful little bargaining chip when making other TV deals. So let's take a moment to bask in our awesome network's brand appeal:There is not a lot more to say about that except that we should all stop and take a moment of silence for our friend the Big East who is in the hospital with mortal wounds to their ego, pride, and all around ability to be a real conference. The brain damage has been so severe that they now believe Idaho to be in the 'East'... It's a sad situation. (But seriously, they really shouldn't be a major conference)
via BTN.com
...aaaaand we're back. Alright, glad we got that out of the way. Look, I'm with you all. I love the fact that I can watch Olympic sports, every conference football game, and pointed analysis. Still, that's to be expected from fans of the conference. But how else can we make better statistical assumptions? One of the best ways to really judge eyeballs is the CCG weekend and Bowl Season. Now, let me start by saying it was nearly impossible to find the ratings from CCG Weekend. Nielsen might have the worst site known to humanity, and no one really wants to report all the findings on the interwebz that I could find. Still, let's go with what I could figure out by googling stuff over and over and over. Here are the ratings (allegedly) from the Conference Championship games plus the de facto Big XII game between Oklahoma and Okie State.
SEC Championship Game: 7.4 (CBS)
Big Ten Championship Game: 4.3 (FOX)
Big XII de Facto Championship Game: OU vs OSU: 3.7 (ABC)
Pac 12 Championship Game: 3.2 (FOX)
Okay, so what jumps out at you? First off, I'm going to go ahead and tell you that FOX seems to be the crappy NCAA Football station. Of course, if I'm not mistaken, the Pac 12 Game was held on a Friday and the SEC Game had a prime spot on Saturday afternoon. Nonetheless, these figures will be brought up a lot during the next round of negotiations by the SEC folks and all of their good friends at CBS and the WWL. Still, for a game that many B1G fans were just trying to wrap their minds around, a 4.3 representing something like 7 million viewers is nothing to scoff at.
Moving over to the bowl games, HoyaGoon posted an excellent link in FanShots about the bowl ratings as Nielsen reported them. Anyhow, the information is hard to parse into really interesting facts. The reality is that the SEC, the Pac-12, and then the B1G had the most average viewers. While it's difficult to decide if that's an equal way to look at things considering the amount of bowls and the smaller viewerships for things like the Pizza Bowl and the TicketCity Bowl. Overall, I think something to take away from all of this is that as a whole almost every bowl was on a downward swing,especially up top. My question for the commenters is this: How should we interpret these numbers?
And now we talk $$$
Okay, so I'm just going to finish it out for the day here. The B1G is the second most profitable conference in football... to the SEC. On average, each B1G's school's net worth, according to the Wall Street Journal (and a shout out to MNWildcat's FanShot), is $289.55 Million to the SEC's $359.58 Million. There are not a lot of ways to parse this data out. Simply put, their net worth is higher than ours. Oh, and Texas makes more than everyone else combined. If you go to the FanShot, I actually commented on all of the ways Texas makes more than everyone (although somehow I thought 805.1>818.4... it's not). With that said, I wouldn't go around worrying about the viability of the conference. 7 schools are in the Top 25 highest net worths, and even Purdue is worth $111.2 Million.
What I want you all to take away from this is that there is no reason the B1G shouldn't be using that money to do more. I mean, I am not advocating for a system where we pay for Cam Newton to win us a championship or anything, but how about we start by paying assistants? Look, all of this is basically a quick snapshot of where the B1G stands against its competition. As a whole, there really aren't a lot of complaints. With smaller population bases, less resources or opportunities for year round training, and the obvious shift in people going to places where there's a beach, it's going to be tougher. That's all I got here. What more can we do? I guess that's the real question. In my final piece (coming soon), we'll look at our favorite part of the conversation - education. I'm excited.
52 comments
|
0 recs |
Do you like this story?
Comments
Error
Given that Ryan Field only holds around 48k-49k, I’d say your number for Northwestern’s average attendance is flawed above….
Argh... That's a mistake.
Always check the words with the red squiggly line. They mean you probably screwed up.
Author @ Off Tackle Empire
Next step, Twitter... @KennardHusker
by KennardHusker on Feb 23, 2012 10:42 AM CST up reply actions
I don't have the info with me at work, but it's probably closer to 34,500. The link has all the data.
Always check the words with the red squiggly line. They mean you probably screwed up.
Author @ Off Tackle Empire
Next step, Twitter... @KennardHusker
by KennardHusker on Feb 23, 2012 10:42 AM CST up reply actions
Numbers
HailToPurple has NU at 33,442/game, plus previous year’s data. It still just edges out Vandy, as you noted.
Impressive? No. Better than it used to be? Very much yes. If NU keeps up its current efforts, we could hopefully be seeing a 40k/game (80 – 85% capacity) as the norm in the next several years. That’d be respectable— on par with Stanford, clearly beating Vanderbilt, and (presumably) boosting the conference over the SEC.
Northwestern averages 70k at Ryan?!
TROLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL.
by mikjones24 on Feb 23, 2012 10:15 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
Only when we play Iowa
Our Minnesota friends say you like to double up in cramped spaces when visiting… like bathroom stalls.
by GTom on Feb 23, 2012 3:37 PM CST up reply actions 6 recs
To be fair,
We have to find something to do when we get bored.
by mikjones24 on Feb 24, 2012 1:37 AM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Pretty amazing
because it only holds 47,000
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ryan_Field_(stadium)
"If you need a rah-rah speech at halftime, you’re playing the wrong sport." - Pat Angerer
I would also be curious to see the average max capacity of each conferences stadiums
"He lowballed us and said: 'Take it or leave it. If you don't take our offer, you are rolling the dice.' I said: 'Consider them rolled.' " - Jim "Huge Brass Balls" Delaney
Maybe do an average attendence as a % of the max capacity
Not sure if this helps or hurts the B1G, but I would be more accurate I would think.
White Horn Gold Pants
Net Worth isn't a good way to look at the money numbers
You should just use football revenue instead. These magazines and newspapers are well-known for being terrible at putting valuations on professional teams, so I suspect their ability to put valuations on college teams is close to nil.
Crossroads of the Interwebz - my blog
Let's see...
…so far we have lost 2 of the 3 competitiveness metrics to the SEC. What’s the third measure, who has the hotest coeds?
Dikaia Upotheke - Justice Our Foundation
close. fewest number of teeth on average and number of truck nuts per capita.
HELP IS ON THE WAY
~Banned at ATO since June 3rd, 2011, 2ish PM PST
by SouthBayBuckeye on Feb 23, 2012 5:04 PM CST up reply actions
Jorts sales figures at WalMart
When we get the Pig, the Jug and the Axe, we'll have one hell of a picnic
sales figures for Skol
HELP IS ON THE WAY
~Banned at ATO since June 3rd, 2011, 2ish PM PST
by SouthBayBuckeye on Feb 24, 2012 11:23 AM CST up reply actions
'Right to Refuse Service' Signs
per square mile
You win with people (not named Joe Bauserman)
@BadNewsBrownell
by BuckeyeSki on Feb 24, 2012 11:55 AM CST up reply actions 3 recs
and we have a winner.
HELP IS ON THE WAY
~Banned at ATO since June 3rd, 2011, 2ish PM PST
by SouthBayBuckeye on Feb 24, 2012 12:06 PM CST up reply actions
FYI
The B10 CCG, ACC CCG and OU/OkSU were all on at the same time.
Good point. You have to take into consideration though that the SEC and PAC12 were smart enough not to schedule during those other big games.
by TheN8tureBoy on Feb 24, 2012 8:49 AM CST up reply actions
Careful now
if you keep using SEC and Smart in the same sentence the universe may collapse from over-use of the ultimate oxymoron
You win with people (not named Joe Bauserman)
@BadNewsBrownell
by BuckeyeSki on Feb 24, 2012 9:42 AM CST up reply actions 5 recs
WTF do you mean "Even Purdue is worth.............."
Close by the Wabash, In famed Hoosier land, Stands old Purdue, Serene and Grand, Cherished in Memory,By all her sons and daughters true, Fair Alma Mater, All Hail Purdue
Well, as the school with the lowest net worth...
I probably could’ve worded that better, but it was meant that even the lowest worth is still higher than most.
Always check the words with the red squiggly line. They mean you probably screwed up.
Author @ Off Tackle Empire
Next step, Twitter... @KennardHusker
by KennardHusker on Feb 23, 2012 11:26 PM CST up reply actions
Fight! Fight! Fight!
Where are PurdueMatt and MSULaxer?
/1-11’d
by MNWildcat on Feb 24, 2012 2:24 AM CST up reply actions 4 recs
ill go get msu laxer
but you know it’s all about bball right now, might be hard to rouse him into a Sparty-Purdue fight…again
by Graham Filler on Feb 24, 2012 8:36 AM CST up reply actions
You should have been around for the aftermath of Purdue @ MSU Hoops last month
Got a little ugly . . .
All things considered...
… the B1G does pretty damn well in terms of attendance considering all the 11 AM starts.
The major underachievers (in my opinion) in terms of attendance were Purdue and Illinois. Illinois had three 11 AM kickoffs this year, and Purdue had SIX! The earliest games in the SEC start at 12:21 EST (which would be 11:21 for the SEC West schools) but they usually only have one of these a week. Their attendance is also boosted by more night games on Thursday and sometimes Friday. That’s one thing I’ll give to Mike Slive; he’s been ahead of the curve on scheduling. The B1G needs more night games, especially on Thursdays and Fridays (hell even Saturdays… Neither Ross Ade or Ohio Stadium hosted a night game last year).
by TheHumbleBuckeye on Feb 24, 2012 2:00 PM CST reply actions
tOSU beat Wisky
under the lights I do believe. Deal with it
You win with people (not named Joe Bauserman)
@BadNewsBrownell
NO!!!!
Under no circumstances should the B10 be playing on Friday nights. That’s high school football time. Don’t mess with the source of your future players.
I’m not really a fan of night games period, and would be perfectly happy for OSU to never have another one. If you have to play at night, then at least stick to Saturdays. There are logistical issues with weeknight games, and they interfere with the actual purpose of the university.
I don’t think night games are the answer for IL. Firing Zook and lowering ticket prices are their solutions, and I think they’ll help. PU needs to keep some skill players healthy and/or fire Hope.
I don't necessarily want a bunch of night games...
But the point is, later starts help. Case and point: Illinois’ first two games. Neither opponent was a necessarily a bigger draw than the other (Arkansas State, South Dakota State). One start was 2:30 CST, the other was 11 AM CST. The 2:30 start had 3,000 more fans.
by TheHumbleBuckeye on Feb 24, 2012 2:45 PM CST up reply actions
Not having Zook helps more
Seriously, IL could fix all their problems by winning. The big boys don’t have attendance problems at noon.
Agree on weekend night games
I never want football games to be something that you go to after work. When you factor in tailgating, it is and should be a carefree, half-day celebration event – not something that you have to compromise with your daily activities (this is where I feel for those of you with kids who have to coordinate your football enjoyment with their weekend schedules).
As I seem to recall (although I’m not entirely sure), we used to have a fair number of weekend night games when we were at the mercy of the ESPN contract – and I believe ESPN was pushing for more. From memory, I don’t think that Mr. Delaney liked that arrangement, and guaranteeing that every game take place on Saturday was one of the driving factors for the creation of the BTN.
especially for fans that drive
For schools like PSU, NE and even OSU where tens of thousands of fans drive several hours to get to the game, having a game until midnight is a bit of a problem.
Yeah, we didn't either unfortunately
Although the Illinois game was dark out. But that’s because of the weather, that horrid, horrid weather. Froze my legs off.
Probably shouldn’t have worn shorts, but froze my legs off
She asked me who I wanted to have a three some with. I said "Why not Zoidberg?"
by ICEICETHATGUY13 on Feb 24, 2012 4:23 PM CST up reply actions
GTFO!
Weekday night games? Lets leave those for the High School++ leagues (Big East, MWC, NFL).
Don’t put real college football on any day other than Saturday and January 1.
I’m sorry, but blanket statements are proven false 99% of the time, and if you make a blanket statement about college football, there’s a good chance that one exception will be Joe Paterno. - AdamShell @ BSD
Also; Always carry a bottle opener and the beer will provide itself.
by bconway6 on Feb 24, 2012 10:21 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Worth noting that the Pac-10/Pac-12...
…schedules many Thursday night games. Not sure if that will continue with their new TV deals.
Serious question NW Fans
I’ve noticed that attendance at Ryan Field is going up. Do you all expect for it to get to the point where it comes close to selling out in the ~5 years?
She asked me who I wanted to have a three some with. I said "Why not Zoidberg?"
by ICEICETHATGUY13 on Feb 24, 2012 4:21 PM CST reply actions
No.
But I expect it to continue to rise with winning seasons and bowl appearances, possibly pushing 38-40K within your timeframe. Again, that’s firmly based on 6-6 seasons being the absolute minimum and a “real run” in there somewhere. Playing schools like Notre Dame won’t hurt either.
Other fans might be more optimistic than me, though.
Might be a bit optimistic
NU’s contingent of true home fans is probably around 30K per game, give or take 3K depending on the opponent. Filling up the rest of the stadium is usually dependent on the road team, and not in the good “opponent of interest” way, but in the “oh my God, the streets are clogged with hordes of drunken Iowans” way. Since I first started attending games in ‘93, the only seasons where there were sellouts that represented solid purple were 1996 and early 1997 with a small rebound in early 2001 – all a year after the ’Cats won a B1G title. The new AD has taken some positive steps on marketing and they’ve really done something right by finally retaking the golf course (and therefore facilitating tailgating for a lot more people), but there’s a long way to go. It’s a small school with a lot of alums living in other states, and it really takes something special to get the rest of Chicago to buy in.
And I guess that's what I was trying to account for.
I’d agree with you in the 30K neighborhood, and then I assume that we’d be shoring up the low-end games in the non-con with better matchups like Vandy or ND, with B1G games getting their usual attention.
Agreed.
I think Northwestern’s attendance will continue to swing upwards, so long as the program continues to be competitive. Marketing is really reaching out to Chicago/North Suburbs, young alumni are more prevalent in attendance/tailgate lots, Fitz is a great “face” to the team/program, and the team is playing more late afternoon/night games (those 11 am kickoffs are brutal insofar as they kill tailgating). Throw in a more competitive/interesting non-conference schedule (Vandy, Syracuse, Stanford, Notre Dame, etc. should bring better crowds to Ryan Field) and the fact that every season we’ll either have Michigan/MSU or Iowa/Nebraska visiting….well, the attendance has nowhere to go but up.
This.
young alumni are more prevalent in attendance/tailgate lots
Yeah, I actually meant to bring this up someday on SoP. As (correct me if I’m wrong) this is the one of (if not the) most successful 4-year stint in NU football history, you’d figure there will be a lot more energetic of a football culture than this “old guard” of alums. Hopefully that will play itself out in more young alum ticket purchases and a revived base.
According to Stassen you're right
going just by total wins, but not by win percentage.
‘08-’11: 31-22 (0.585) (first four year bowl streak in school history)
‘94-97: 28-18-1 (0.606) (1994 was 3-7-1; Michigan State had to forfeit a win due to use of an ineligible player. )
’48-’51: 23-14 (0.622)
‘28-’31: 25-8 (0.758)
1902-1905: 30-12-4 (0.696)
Ties were counted as a half win for the percentage.
In the name of the Woody, the Bo, and the Mustache Ride. Amen.
by Pariahwulfen on Feb 25, 2012 7:21 PM CST up reply actions
If Sparty is really going to compete in football they need to bring theirs upto the the 100k range like TN or AL and MN IN PU all should have stadiums like ND (75k) NW and IL should have stadiums in the 70k range. Just filling them once a season would increase the weekly average by 15-20k.
by James Rinkevich on Feb 25, 2012 12:23 PM CST via iPhone app reply actions
won't happen
even if the seats are filled once a year, having so many empty seats for the others games looks bad, kills the atmosphere, and most importantly won’t pay for the stadium expansion. i’d guess MSU could fill more than 70k with regularity but the others don’t have a reason to go too much larger.
Show them Ohio's here.
by slidingscrapes on Feb 25, 2012 11:23 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Bad idea
Even as it is, a number of schools with 100k stadiums have trouble filling them. Tennessee had less than 90,000 fans at a few games this year. Penn State had a few games below 100k. Long streaks with 100k+ like what tOSU and Michigan have are rare, and the programs you listed simply don’t have the national presence that the others do.
Purdue is currently struggling to get 50k to come to a game. Until the Boilermakers magically have some sort of Bear Bryant era, the 62k that their stadium seats right now will have to do.
Crossroads of the Interwebz - my blog
by lonewolf371 on Feb 26, 2012 10:28 AM CST up reply actions
Dead Horse
Minny’s been there and done that – We left the Metrodome (~64k) and headed to the comfy confines of The Bank (~50k) and still have trouble filling it…
When we get the Pig, the Jug and the Axe, we'll have one hell of a picnic
To be fair
you did have TIMMAH! as your coach.
In the name of the Woody, the Bo, and the Mustache Ride. Amen.
by Pariahwulfen on Feb 27, 2012 12:32 PM CST up reply actions
True, but it was still an issue when we were ranked with Barber and Maroney tearing it up
When we get the Pig, the Jug and the Axe, we'll have one hell of a picnic
If you build it, they will come...
…made for a nice feel-good movie, but doesn’t translate to athletic venues.
When there are so many more seats available than demand, going to a game is no longer an event you have to plan for, and there is a risk of overall attendance dropping.
When the stadium is filled, regardless of size, the demand gets other gains such as increased number of boosters to gain priority in buying tickets.
Proud proponent of the 52 team Uber Conference

by 































